[quote]We are only talking about elemental primaries dude. And I'm sorry but the trials weapons hands down preform better than any raid weapons as far as elemental primaries go [...] but if you needed burn weapons for night falls and stuff back then the trials primaries preformed better [/quote] Except... They didn't. Not even close, actually. As one of the minority players that has gotten every piece of BOTH the Trials and Raid Gear, in no version of this Universe or a parallel one were the ToO Weapons better than the Raid Weapons for PvE (which is the ONLY place Primary Elementals are useful) ToO weapons of course were better for PvP, but their Elemental burns were wasted in the Crucible. I've been through many Raids with many groups, and not ONCE did I ever hear anyone wishing they had a Messenger or Summoner. Lol You can try to sell us on it until you're blue in the face, but I guarantee no one's buying.