{{
`${userDetail.user.displayName}${userDetail.user.cachedBungieGlobalDisplayNameCode ? `#${standardizeBungieGlobalCode(userDetail.user.cachedBungieGlobalDisplayNameCode)}` : ""}`}}
{{getUserClans()}}
Edited by ManJas:
7/30/2016 3:55:47 AM
24
I'm surprised at the number of people who find Sunsingers to be underwhelming or only useful for self-res. Besides the build that I've shown here, there are multiple other configurations that either produce a lot of orbs or provide plenty of DPS. The touch of flame, viking funeral build with fusion grenades was shown to deliver more damage than Black Spindle, plus the viking funeral debuff can stack with tether or melting point. Then there's song of flame which if used with Praxic Fire, can provide significant cooldown speeds for you and others near you. Flame shield melee is still probably the best melee in the game, but brimstone and solar wind have very fast cooldowns, so you can essentially have a 5-5-5 build with a Sunsinger. In my opinion, one of the most flexible subclasses in the game, now.
English
-
The issue with sunsinger is its pvp game now. Im sure it has some utility in pve but no one will ever want a sunsinger over a bubble or tether.
-
I guess to summarise, a good raid fireteam combination probably wouldn't be just hunters and titans. Having at least 1 sunsinger can be very useful.
-
Thats it though the raid set up doesnt need a self rez lok in fact alot of lfg teams bash loks for being selfish and holding their super. Bubble and tether are too much more useful in pve if they want sunsinger to be a support class it needs something to be on par with bubble or shadowshot. And as for pvp defender and nightstalker are so much better than sunsinger.
-
I agree, but I was referring to either using song of flame or radiant skin and using the super much more actively. I'd rarely recommend going with selfish-res unless you're really uncomfortable with the content.
-
The thing is in pve ypu barely notice a difference with radiant skin and ive never had a team ask me to run song of flame in a raid (50+ oryx kills so its not like I only did it once)
-
I get that, but I'd say that's partially due to people simply thinking that Sunsinger's are just holding onto their supers for an extra life. Given that song of flame has good potential in multiple aspects of the raid, such as throwing grenades at the Warpriest, throwing AoE grenades at your feet during Golgoroth, or even the daughters/Oryx encounters, especially considering that all these encounters have phases where everyone is bundled together. The solution would be to change the mindset of players, to start thinking of the support potentials of Sunsingers.
-
Golgy maybe it could help ive never had an ad problem there. But with warpriest to throw nades instead of using spindle. Big no no Just to maintain the Viking funeral burn and not use a sniper on him you'd likely break even with the overall damage you're doing its been tested if you miss a single fusion you're going to be in the negative on damage and Id rather not use my super to best case scenario break even with what damage im doing with a spindle.
-
Well, sunsinger still has one of the best PvP melee attacks. Touch of flame & firebolts are still decent too. But you're right in PvE, nothing provides the utility of weapons of light or shadowshot, still song of flame with viking funeral fusions can provide excellent DPS. Plus the orb potential from sunburst can help the better utility subclasses get their supers back quicker.
-
-
Same, they are definitely one of the best subclasses still
-
Yeah, they have utility in both a support and damage dealing setup.
-
So you're telling that during warpriest,I should spend all my Spindle bullets and then just nade him? I'm okay with that
-
Well given that each grenade is roughly the same damage as a spindle bullet...make it rain fusions haha
-
Are you sure it can stack with Tether and Melting Point? I thought it only stacked with WoL. Reasoning being: Debuffs don't stack, which is why Tether and Melting Point don't stack. Viking Funeral is a Debuff, so it also wouldn't stack.
-
Datto did the testing, yes they are all debuffs but melting point and viking funeral stack and tether and viking funeral stack. Don't know why, but hey, not gonna complain.
-
WoL works with both then, yes?
-
I assume so, should make for nearly double damage on a target :)
-
It was always pretty flexible as far as I remember, most people just didn't care because rez was that big a deal. I loved being a super generator back in the day, a lot of people wanted rez crutch but who needs the crutch when there's always someone popping a super.
-
I never ran self res on my warlock, always radiant skin only time I ever ran self res was if i was soloing nightfalls or CoE....with other people or in pvp? Radiant skin 100% of the time
-
People tend to forget that the Sunsinger has some of the best grenades in the game, with a super that focuses on that. Fusions are incredibly powerful, firebolts hit enemies for you and solars provides great damage over time. One of the very few support classes that can provide high DPS.
-
1. Firebolts suck. They always have. Now they suck even if ya spec for them 2. Solars are beyond God-awful now 3. Fusions are good. But magnetic grenades are better. So only 1 out of their 3 grenades are good now
-
For enemy clearing/orb generation, firebolts are the easiest to use and effective against most red-health enemies. Solars are more useful now since enemies tend to ignore AoE damage, whereas in year 1 enemies quickly left AoE damage. They have strong zone control potential, so I'd still say that all sunsinger grenades are decent. In my opinion.
-
Yeah no kidding, I'd honestly take a good super-singer over a rez-singer any day, especially with an extra grenade and some grenade cooldown gear, that offers some valuable area denial which I will never turn down.
-
