I would strongly disagree with you opinion, but I can respect why you think that. Destiny maps are designed in a way such that snipers aren't competent compared to shotguns; shotguns and Hawksaw cover every range, nothing can out perform it if you are effective with it. Snipers reward a skilled hand, undoubtedly. However good you may be with one, most people aren't that skilled: that's why most users will use shotguns as it just requires good awareness and able to slide with a shotgun. Snipers are predictable. Slide around corners, jump around doors. More often than not, players will miss their shot. That's why most compatible players will use shotguns as they are more rewarding. Besides, snipers got hit heavily previously. Everything was nerfed. What is their to nerf? "Slower ADS speed again" - That will influence players to hardscope and consequently slow down the pace of the game "Reduce damage" - That prevents user to kill supers yet shotguns can, that's unfair "Make Hidden Hand weaker" - How often do you say that you survived because of HH? It's a waste of a perk. "Increase zoom value" - That would make snipers unusable. Maps are designed in such a way that using snipers requires clear map knowledge and angles. "No aim assist" - Consoles require aim assist because joysticks cannot recognise micro movement with your thumbs. Mouses and keyboards are more accurate, controls aren't. "More flinch" - That would suggest that if you get hit them and they pull off that shot, it's skilful. Applying a killing sniper shot under pressure with minimal flinch is not easy. "Add sway" - That suggests everyone hard scopes. Based on your views, you are influencing hardscope get but punish them with a sway so snipers are weak in every department. "Reduce jumpshot or no-scope accuracy" - Playing off these shots are skilful and mostly luck, rarely can you pull this off. Try doing this in a game, it's very rare and besides, shotguns can do this just as effectively if not more. "More rare" - Shotguns are equally as rare to obtain decent snipers and 'God roles'. Scopes are all down to personal-preference so it's hard to get a specific role you want. There are more shotguns than snipers. Why should hey nerf a weapon that this used less? Plus, we should stop nerfing weapons and buff others (not shotguns).

I don't see how quickscoping is a bad thing.

The single biggest problem with snipers is ease of use due to mechanics. No matter how much flinch there is there is still auto recenter. This combined with aim assist makes flinch sniping and drag scoping easy as hell. Try and drag scope or flinch sniping with eerine. Then do it with thousand yard. The difference is night and day. Auto recenter is a universal mechanic so either flinch needs to be increased or aim assist significantly decreased. Pve would make too high of flinch hell so the only viable solution I can think of is reduced aim assist. At least remove hidden hand. Plus 20 aim assist is stupid.

Oh my god shut the -blam!- up, snipers are fine stop running blindly around corners and down laneways. Do you want to make them 100% useless? The maps are too small to have flinching on them. You can't just sit there in scope otherwise you'll get flanked

You can't nerf gun skill

Two words a five year old could grasp. "Git gud"

Sniping is a skill just get over it, shotgunning is for idiots who wanna run in with no brain asking for a headshot.... Did you not think of that?

[quote]For those that consider the previous 'changes' to sniping as being 'touched' by the balance or nerf hammers you are not a person who has a strong grip on reality. The lack of flinch (or even the popular descope ideas) during a face melting is still a major problem. Quick scoping [b]seems [/b]to have gone down but it's still possible. Snipers being anyone's most used weapon (by stats) is the biggest red flag that there's a problem. Thanks for continually missing this one Bungie.[/quote] Another time wasting cry baby post... X-mas is over! Do at least one raid before you post anything about snipers and flinch than maybe you will understand why is a BS for asking any change!!! Have a nice day with smashed head :)

Idk about you but i run both shotgun and sniper depending on map and opponent. However, i notice more snipers hardscoping around corners so if i get my head blown off its my own fault. This is because snipers are being snipers using choke points and providing cover fire for the team. Shotgunners quit running around corners head level...you will lose your head any good shotgun player uses vertical space or slides between cover. Force others into your proximity where you will win. Those who are saying what about fusions....the truth is get good perks and practice its like a long range shotgun. Just pre charge corners vertical space and sliding. The truth is you will always get outplayed blaming someone else for your death or bungie for nerfing something. Year one was fun but we had two primaries (Thorn &TLW) snipers worked wonders but shotguns were the most used. The truth bungie wants this game to be diverse which is why you have to think about the weapons you use and how you use them.

You hit the nail on the head they still nerfing shotguns but havent touch snipes obviously they are crazy in love and obsessed with snipers because they refuse to do whats necessary to balance them