[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jumbus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lt Sartor [url=http://s811.photobucket.com/albums/zz40/LtSartor/?action=view¤t=ODSTReach.jpg&newest=1]I took a pic.[/url][/quote][url=http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd268/Bob-Tim/Halo/Reach/NotaHelljumperWaitwhat.jpg]I took a better pic.[/url] But that's just my personal opinion.[/quote]WRONGE ONE IDIOTS! The on to his left is an ODST... the blue light reflects off of his visor [Edited on 02.14.2010 12:51 AM PST]

It reminds me of the marine models used in Halo Wars more so than ODSTs....

no those are regular army rangers. they look so much cooler than the marines though

All ODST's are trained on Reach. Besides, that looks like their army trooper model. I want to see the Halo Reach Marine, Army soldier, and ODST (if they are in it) side-by-side. Heh, I hope (and know) Bungie will fix the clipping issues in that picture. AR seems to be coming out of our supposed ODST's chest, and the Soldier next to him has his AR clipping slightly with his face. (OMG, the black soldier has the exact same helm, but no monocle!) [Edited on 02.14.2010 12:31 AM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Brent G [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ScOuRgE3 No, I do not think they are army troopers. They do not have the tan armor nor do they have the exact same equipment. Furthermore, you can clearly see that they are wearing a different style helmet, which looks like it may have a retractable visor. This helmet also closely resembles the ODST helmet in shape. The presence of the green monocle actually supports the theory that the soldiers pictured at the 3:18 mark are ODST's, because if you read the book [i]Halo: The Flood[/i], lines give reference multiple times that the Orbital Drop Shock Troopers had the green read-out monocle on their armor. This book chronicles the events of Halo: Combat Evolved. In the actually game we obviously did not see any ODST's in their more commonly recognized black armor. ODST's were never even referred to in the game. Nevertheless, they were indeed present at the events on Alpha Halo, as told by the book. If those are Helljumpers in the Vidoc, the fact that Bungie gave them monocles could easily be a subtle nod to timeline continuity. [/quote] Oh, the book? Well you're right! That completely overrides the not-as-important continuity of THE GAMES. Where ODSTs have ALWAYS been shown in black armour. Yes, The Flood describes certain marines as ODSTs, but since it's the only book that directly follows the events of a game, game continuity overrides book continuity. Nevermind the fact that you believe ODSTs just changed their entire uniform in between Halo 1 and 2? That Bungie is nodding to that in some way? That's insane. There's no reason to believe that "timeline continuity" dictates that ODSTs circa Battle of Reach still wore near identical armour to the standard marine. And there's already stories taking place well beforehand that have Helljumpers wearing their blacks.[/quote] Thank you for your input, Mr. Sarcasm. (no pun intended) How do you know game continuity overrides book continuity? They are all part of the universe and flow together. Hell, one of the books was even written by a Bungie writer. In one of the plethora of interviews, I recall that Marcus Leto stated that Bungie wanted the same events to pan in out in Halo: Reach as in the book, The Fall of Reach (albeit from a different perspective). Halo: Reach is a totally different story, but major events will still coincide, thus giving credence to the book and not tossing it aside as you seem to favor. So how does Reach the game work with The Fall Of Reach book? [url=http://haloreachcentral.com/new-halo-reach-interview-tales-of-the-fall][i]Marcus Lehto: We are very sensitive to the Halo canon, and we are careful not to be stomping on the Halo timeline. Were playing to the events of the book, and while its not the gameplay version of the book, that story is taking place in the background. Were following one isolated part of whats happening on Reach.[/i][/url] When did I say that I "believe ODST's just changed their uniforms between Halo 1 and 2?" Who's to say that there are not multiple variants of the ODST equipment, just as there are variants in equipment for modern day Rangers and SEALS? The book mentions ODST's having green monocles, thus, a number of Helljumpers on Reach would also have to have the monocles since those on the Pillar of Autumn originated from Reach. [Edited on 02.14.2010 12:34 AM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lt Sartor [url=http://s811.photobucket.com/albums/zz40/LtSartor/?action=view¤t=ODSTReach.jpg&newest=1]I took a pic.[/url][/quote][url=http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd268/Bob-Tim/Halo/Reach/NotaHelljumperWaitwhat.jpg]I took a better pic.[/url] But that's just my personal opinion.

I believe the marines and ODSTs in Halo CE are using the exact same model. They said the ones without armor simple didn't have time to put it on. Also the ODSTs were said to be defending the engine room during the PoA level, and you fight alongside marines with their armor on.

[url=http://s811.photobucket.com/albums/zz40/LtSartor/?action=view¤t=ODSTReach.jpg&newest=1]I took a pic.[/url]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ScOuRgE3 No, I do not think they are army troopers. They do not have the tan armor nor do they have the exact same equipment. Furthermore, you can clearly see that they are wearing a different style helmet, which looks like it may have a retractable visor. This helmet also closely resembles the ODST helmet in shape. The presence of the green monocle actually supports the theory that the soldiers pictured at the 3:18 mark are ODST's, because if you read the book [i]Halo: The Flood[/i], lines give reference multiple times that the Orbital Drop Shock Troopers had the green read-out monocle on their armor. This book chronicles the events of Halo: Combat Evolved. In the actually game we obviously did not see any ODST's in their more commonly recognized black armor. ODST's were never even referred to in the game. Nevertheless, they were indeed present at the events on Alpha Halo, as told by the book. If those are Helljumpers in the Vidoc, the fact that Bungie gave them monocles could easily be a subtle nod to timeline continuity. [/quote] Oh, the book? Well you're right! That completely overrides the not-as-important continuity of THE GAMES. Where ODSTs have ALWAYS been shown in black armour. Yes, The Flood describes certain marines as ODSTs, but since it's the only book that directly follows the events of a game, game continuity overrides book continuity. Nevermind the fact that you believe ODSTs just changed their entire uniform in between Halo 1 and 2? That Bungie is nodding to that in some way? That's insane. There's no reason to believe that "timeline continuity" dictates that ODSTs circa Battle of Reach still wore near identical armour to the standard marine. And there's already stories taking place well beforehand that have Helljumpers wearing their blacks.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sled dog style [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ScOuRgE3 No, I do not think they are army troopers. They do not have the tan armor nor do they have the exact same equipment. [/quote] They have the same equipment and the non tan armor can be explained by the shadows given off by the Pelican. Also look at the camo, they are the same. [quote] Furthermore, you can clearly see that they are wearing a different style helmet, which looks like it may have a retractable visor. This helmet also closely resembles the ODST helmet in shape. [/quote] The helmet looks the same to me, it resembles the shape of the helmets we have seen in other screen shots and renders. And I see nothing that suggests a retractable visor. [quote] The presence of the green monocle actually supports the theory that the soldiers pictured at the 3:18 mark are ODST's, because if you read the book [i]Halo: The Flood[/i], lines give reference multiple times that the Orbital Drop Shock Troopers had the green read-out monocle on their armor. [/quote] The Flood (a terrible book by the way) was written before Halo 2, at that time we believed that ODSTs looked the same as Marines. No pressurized black suits that we associate wit htem now. [quote] This book chronicles the events of Halo: Combat Evolved. In the actually game we obviously did not see any ODST's in their more commonly recognized black armor. ODST's were never even referred to in the game. Nevertheless, they were indeed present at the events on Alpha Halo, as told by the book. [/quote] If Halopedia is correct, apparently the Marines in the 'assault on the control room' level were ODSTs. [quote] If those are Helljumpers in the Vidoc, the fact that Bungie gave them monocles could easily be a subtle nod to timeline continuity. [/quote] We have seen normal Marines with monocles as well.[/quote]This has been argued many times. I myself thought the marines in Halo CE with the eye pieces were ODSTs while the ones without armor plates were regular marines. But This all doesn't make sense because bungie hadn't even thought of ODSTs yet. Also the flood, wasn't bad at all: a lot better then Cole Protocol. It would be nice if those were ODSTs, and bungie was filling in the time gap.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Noobez I more interested about what the guy walking onto the pelican is holding in his hand, it looks like a light blue canister of sorts. Interesting if you ask me....[/quote] True, he is also lacking his helm so maybe he's a sergeant or officer?

I more interested about what the guy walking onto the pelican is holding in his hand, it looks like a light blue canister of sorts. Interesting if you ask me....

It is not a monocle though. If you look at the picture its a full-sunglass type visor, the right eye's part is darkened though. Besides, its just as likely to be an army trooper then an ODST or marine. We have not seen a Halo Reach Marine next to an ODST next to an army trooper. Edit: okay, there is the monocle thing overtop the sunglasses-type visor. [Edited on 02.13.2010 11:15 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sled dog style [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ScOuRgE3 No, I do not think they are army troopers. They do not have the tan armor nor do they have the exact same equipment. [/quote] They have the same equipment and the non tan armor can be explained by the shadows given off by the Pelican. Also look at the camo, they are the same. [quote] Furthermore, you can clearly see that they are wearing a different style helmet, which looks like it may have a retractable visor. This helmet also closely resembles the ODST helmet in shape. [/quote] The helmet looks the same to me, it resembles the shape of the helmets we have seen in other screen shots and renders. And I see nothing that suggests a retractable visor. [quote] The presence of the green monocle actually supports the theory that the soldiers pictured at the 3:18 mark are ODST's, because if you read the book [i]Halo: The Flood[/i], lines give reference multiple times that the Orbital Drop Shock Troopers had the green read-out monocle on their armor. [/quote] The Flood (a terrible book by the way) was written before Halo 2, at that time we believed that ODSTs looked the same as Marines. No pressurized black suits that we associate wit htem now. [quote] This book chronicles the events of Halo: Combat Evolved. In the actually game we obviously did not see any ODST's in their more commonly recognized black armor. ODST's were never even referred to in the game. Nevertheless, they were indeed present at the events on Alpha Halo, as told by the book. [/quote] If Halopedia is correct, apparently the Marines in the 'assault on the control room' level were ODSTs. [quote] If those are Helljumpers in the Vidoc, the fact that Bungie gave them monocles could easily be a subtle nod to timeline continuity. [/quote] We have seen normal Marines with monocles as well.[/quote] Go take a look at some of the Trooper renders. You'll notice a number a differences. For example: shoulder straps, Shin armor,red markings, and a bulkier neck piece which bears resemblance to Halo 2 ODST's. In regard to the helmet, take a look at the jawline. The helmet doesn't just seem to be protection that sits on top of the head, but extends downwards and is more all around like a biker helmet. As for my "retractable visor comment," Take a look at the black area covering the soldier's face. This could be a balaclava, but it could also be part of the helmet. Yes, we do see normal marines with them, but what I was pointing out was: ODST's in "The Flood" have monocles (along with the other soldiers, but that's besides the point) Thus, ODST's on Alpha Halo during the events of "Combat Evolved" had monocles. However,ODST's were never referred to in this game, as you pointed out. Most people did not come to know them until Halo 2, where they were immediately recognized by their trademark black suits. Whether or not the soldier in the Vidoc is an ODST,ODST's present on Reach could be given monocles to support the fact that ODST's on Alpha Halo, who were from Reach, had monocles. ^^My little theory on monocles. ;] Also, I am obviously just speculating. Those who are simply saying such things: "Oh that is no helljumper" and "That is a marine" should be a little more careful with their wording. None of us can prove either way. This basically goes for everything in general in the Reach forum. People cannot say something is one way or another unless Bungie says so. You have [b]no proof[/b], just speculation and theories. [Edited on 02.13.2010 11:13 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArchedNature [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DootuzPIE [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alex Mac Kee Those aren't helljumpers![/quote] The marines in Halo 1 were helljumpers. Read the books.[/quote] Not all of them, you can tell by their models, some of their models have a patch that says "Helljumper" on them.[/quote] Yeah, I'm just saying just because they don't have black armor with a silver visor doesn't mean they're not helljumpers.

Thats definitely not a ODST. Its just a variant of a marine...

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DootuzPIE [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alex Mac Kee Those aren't helljumpers![/quote] The marines in Halo 1 were helljumpers. Read the books.[/quote] Not all of them, you can tell by their models, some of their models have a patch that says "Helljumper" on them.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alex Mac Kee Those aren't helljumpers![/quote] The marines in Halo 1 were helljumpers. Read the books.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Colefax The Army is still part of the UNSC. They still have an Army as well as a Navy. I think they have an Air Force as well, but i'm not sure. That could have become redundant with a space-faring navy... The reason you see army is because the S-III program, although a part of scetion-III's navspecweaps program, was speaheaded by [i]Colonel[/i] Ackerson. Colonel is the UNSC Army's equivalent rank of a UNSC Navy's Captain.[/quote] Correct. UNSC ARMY, UNSC MARINES, UNSC NAVY, UNSC AIR FORCE. Those are probably Army troopers. The air force was first shown in ODST. The unmanned drones flying overheard during Dutch's mission were Air Force launched from water-based aircraft carriers.

Welp. I've been proven an idiot. :P Thanks for the info though.

The Army is still part of the UNSC. They still have an Army as well as a Navy. I think they have an Air Force as well, but i'm not sure. That could have become redundant with a space-faring navy... The reason you see army is because the S-III program, although a part of scetion-III's navspecweaps program, was speaheaded by [i]Colonel[/i] Ackerson. Colonel is the UNSC Army's equivalent rank of a UNSC Navy's Captain.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IHaveTURRETS JR [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sled dog style [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ScOuRgE3 No, I do not think they are army troopers. They do not have the tan armor nor do they have the exact same equipment. [/quote] They have the same equipment and the non tan armor can be explained by the shadows given off by the Pelican. Also look at the camo, they are the same. [quote] Furthermore, you can clearly see that they are wearing a different style helmet, which looks like it may have a retractable visor. This helmet also closely resembles the ODST helmet in shape. [/quote] The helmet looks the same to me, it resembles the shape of the helmets we have seen in other screen shots and renders. And I see nothing that suggests a retractable visor. [quote] The presence of the green monocle actually supports the theory that the soldiers pictured at the 3:18 mark are ODST's, because if you read the book [i]Halo: The Flood[/i], lines give reference multiple times that the Orbital Drop Shock Troopers had the green read-out monocle on their armor. [/quote] The Flood (a terrible book by the way) was written before Halo 2, at that time we believed that ODSTs looked the same as Marines. No pressurized black suits that we associate wit htem now. [quote] This book chronicles the events of Halo: Combat Evolved. In the actually game we obviously did not see any ODST's in their more commonly recognized black armor. ODST's were never even referred to in the game. Nevertheless, they were indeed present at the events on Alpha Halo, as told by the book. [/quote] If Halopedia is correct, apparently the Marines in the 'assault on the control room' level were ODSTs. [quote] If those are Helljumpers in the Vidoc, the fact that Bungie gave them monocles could easily be a subtle nod to timeline continuity. [/quote] We have seen normal Marines with monocles as well.[/quote] Your argument's totally null dude. It says UNSC on the guys feckin shoulder pad, that is if you're arguing about them being Army, if not... Then feel free to call me an idiot. :P[/quote] The UNSC is the overarching government of the 'human empire'. It's similar to a soldier having a United States flag patch, it isn't just exclusive to the Marines. And yes, I am arguing about them being army. [url=http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Reach/images/cutouts/Falcon_03.jpg]Use the Falcon as an example.[/url] The marines don't use it but it still says UNSC on it. [Edited on 02.13.2010 9:32 PM PST]

Didn't see ODST's. I saw Brutes though.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sled dog style [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ScOuRgE3 No, I do not think they are army troopers. They do not have the tan armor nor do they have the exact same equipment. [/quote] They have the same equipment and the non tan armor can be explained by the shadows given off by the Pelican. Also look at the camo, they are the same. [quote] Furthermore, you can clearly see that they are wearing a different style helmet, which looks like it may have a retractable visor. This helmet also closely resembles the ODST helmet in shape. [/quote] The helmet looks the same to me, it resembles the shape of the helmets we have seen in other screen shots and renders. And I see nothing that suggests a retractable visor. [quote] The presence of the green monocle actually supports the theory that the soldiers pictured at the 3:18 mark are ODST's, because if you read the book [i]Halo: The Flood[/i], lines give reference multiple times that the Orbital Drop Shock Troopers had the green read-out monocle on their armor. [/quote] The Flood (a terrible book by the way) was written before Halo 2, at that time we believed that ODSTs looked the same as Marines. No pressurized black suits that we associate wit htem now. [quote] This book chronicles the events of Halo: Combat Evolved. In the actually game we obviously did not see any ODST's in their more commonly recognized black armor. ODST's were never even referred to in the game. Nevertheless, they were indeed present at the events on Alpha Halo, as told by the book. [/quote] If Halopedia is correct, apparently the Marines in the 'assault on the control room' level were ODSTs. [quote] If those are Helljumpers in the Vidoc, the fact that Bungie gave them monocles could easily be a subtle nod to timeline continuity. [/quote] We have seen normal Marines with monocles as well.[/quote] Your argument's totally null dude. It says UNSC on the guys feckin shoulder pad, that is if you're arguing about them being Army, if not... Then feel free to call me an idiot. :P [Edited on 02.13.2010 9:21 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ScOuRgE3 No, I do not think they are army troopers. They do not have the tan armor nor do they have the exact same equipment. [/quote] They have the same equipment and the non tan armor can be explained by the shadows given off by the Pelican. Also look at the camo, they are the same. [quote] Furthermore, you can clearly see that they are wearing a different style helmet, which looks like it may have a retractable visor. This helmet also closely resembles the ODST helmet in shape. [/quote] The helmet looks the same to me, it resembles the shape of the helmets we have seen in other screen shots and renders. And I see nothing that suggests a retractable visor. [quote] The presence of the green monocle actually supports the theory that the soldiers pictured at the 3:18 mark are ODST's, because if you read the book [i]Halo: The Flood[/i], lines give reference multiple times that the Orbital Drop Shock Troopers had the green read-out monocle on their armor. [/quote] The Flood (a terrible book by the way) was written before Halo 2, at that time we believed that ODSTs looked the same as Marines. No pressurized black suits that we associate wit htem now. [quote] This book chronicles the events of Halo: Combat Evolved. In the actually game we obviously did not see any ODST's in their more commonly recognized black armor. ODST's were never even referred to in the game. Nevertheless, they were indeed present at the events on Alpha Halo, as told by the book. [/quote] If Halopedia is correct, apparently the Marines in the 'assault on the control room' level were ODSTs. [quote] If those are Helljumpers in the Vidoc, the fact that Bungie gave them monocles could easily be a subtle nod to timeline continuity. [/quote] We have seen normal Marines with monocles as well.

Huh, well all Marine's don't have to look the same, yet ODST's usually have a definitive look. Maybe there is variety in Reach's Marines.