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2/4/2010 9:17:08 PM
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Why don't covenant ships have cloak?
After seeing "The package" i've been wondering why in the hell don't the covenant have any sort of cloaking ship? I understand the covenant "emulate not innovate", but they did create a new "sniper" weapon for their ships to take out the MAC's at reach, so you would think the would have some sort of ship cloak.
Any ideas?
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I'm pretty sure there are stealth corvettes in one of the novels. [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Stealth_Corvette]Stealth Corvette[/url] it was in The Fall Of Reach. [Edited on 02.05.2010 9:46 AM PST]
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I'm going to crawl out on a limb and say "Because it'd be pointless." Ships aren't flown by looking out the window. And, cloaking generates heat.
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I would think it's because elites ego and pride would prevent them from using all advantages possible. Maybe even the covenant religion might forbid it. This option is less realistic, but it just might be possible that the covenant weren't good tacticians and never had the smart idea of using ship cloaks on a majority of their ships.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JobeTheConqueror [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 After seeing "The package" i've been wondering why in the hell don't the covenant have any sort of cloaking ship? I understand the covenant "emulate not innovate", but they did create a new "sniper" weapon for their ships to take out the MAC's at reach, so you would think the would have some sort of ship cloak. Any ideas?[/quote] Actually, that long range plasma weapon for "sniping" ships was copied by a Covenant AI off of improvements Cortana made to ship-based Plasma weapons on the captured Covenant Flagship in "First Strike". Still no innovation there. All they do is emulate and modify.[/quote] They used it during the battle of reach which first strike was after. i clearly remember a a large ship coming in with the last of the reinforcements and was "sniping" the MACs out of space.
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Maybe they do... [i]that's why we haven't seen it yet.[/i]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Agustus Im pretty sure it didn't have cloak though, but if one did, chances of humans ever learning of its existence (as long as they never attacked, or attacked and left survivors) would be slim.[/quote] According to Halo wiki the covenant stealth corvette does use active camo technology to hide itself. I don't have First Strike or whatever book the Iroquois was in to hand though, so I'm not sure how accurate it is.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 After seeing "The package" i've been wondering why in the hell don't the covenant have any sort of cloaking ship? I understand the covenant "emulate not innovate", but they did create a new "sniper" weapon for their ships to take out the MAC's at reach, so you would think the would have some sort of ship cloak. Any ideas?[/quote] Actually, that long range plasma weapon for "sniping" ships was copied by a Covenant AI off of improvements Cortana made to ship-based Plasma weapons on the captured Covenant Flagship in "First Strike". Still no innovation there. All they do is emulate and modify.
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Well, Elites and Brutes cloak themselves in battle, I don't see why their ships couldn't. I just think they never really needed it.
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The correct phrase is "Imitative, not innovative", by the way. I could have sworn that I read somewhere that some Covenant ships [i]do[/i] have active camouflage, but only the small ones. I may be wrong. Also, active camouflage on a Covenant ship wouldn't be very practical since they generate heat (And surely the humans have thermal scanners on their spacecraft).
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Because it would be overpowered. No but I have wondered the same thing, or why don't they have energy shields on their vehicles?
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Im pretty sure it didn't have cloak though, but if one did, chances of humans ever learning of its existence (as long as they never attacked, or attacked and left survivors) would be slim.
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There is a covenant stealth corvette. Keyes destroyed one when he was the Captain of the Iroquois over Côte d' Azur.
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And if there [i]was[/i] a Covenant equivilant of a prowler, with cloaking tech. I think its safe to say thats why we've never seen it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Agustus There heresy thing makes little sense to me seeing as all the Covenant do is re-adapt Forerunner tech. Both Elites and Ships have shields. So it makes little sense if Elites can have cloak but ships can't. Its logical deductive reasoning. [/quote] Especially Elite controlled ships, i would understand if it was a feature that wasn't used too often; but i would still expect them to have it.[/quote] Well, you never know. I'm pretty sure we haven't seen all of the Covenant ships ever designed, and there may be one out there with cloaking technology.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Perhaps they just have never thought they needed it. They've always dominated in space, perhaps they think there just is no need for cloaking. Or they view adapting cloaking to their ships as heresy.[/quote] Not to mention the Shangeilie pride, they do not fear a fight face to face.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Now I think about it the Elite Seperatists quickly added cloaking to their Phantoms during the battle of the Ark.... so I'm guessing the Loyalists and previous incarnations of the Covenant view it as heresy to fit such technology.[/quote] I forgot about that.But the point is mute, the Elites still believed in the Forerunners being gods. Even years after the Ark destruction, as can be seen in "The return". There not just going to commit "Heresy" because the Brutes and Prophets stabbed them in the back. Its possible it was a newer model, seeing as the Elites got all the cool toys first. Because the Elite phantoms we always saw carried the Arbiter and or an elite strike force, its quite possible there where very few equipped with the technology. So they used the ones they had for the most vital missions. Logically. [Edited on 02.04.2010 2:13 PM PST]
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Now I think about it the Elite Seperatists quickly added cloaking to their Phantoms during the battle of the Ark.... so I'm guessing the Loyalists and previous incarnations of the Covenant view it as heresy to fit such technology.
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Ok, ill look into it later on today. thanks for the comments everybody.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 *Guscon, im not sure do u remember what book that was in?[/quote]Fall of Reach. When Blue team goes into the city (Cote d'Azur?) and sees Engineers and Hunters for the first time I think. I think it's also the first time they use the docking cradle shield tactic in space. After the second salvo exchange the UNSC ships break formation and charge the Covenant. Keyes stays back, as his ship isn't at full combat readiness, and heads off to find survivors of UNSC vessels, or to take out crippled Covenant ships.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Agustus There heresy thing makes little sense to me seeing as all the Covenant do is re-adapt Forerunner tech. Both Elites and Ships have shields. So it makes little sense if Elites can have cloak but ships can't. Its logical deductive reasoning. [/quote] Especially Elite controlled ships, i would understand if it was a feature that wasn't used too often; but i would still expect them to have it.
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There heresy thing makes little sense to me seeing as all the Covenant do is re-adapt Forerunner tech. Both Elites and Ships have shields. So it makes little sense if Elites can have cloak but ships can't. Its logical deductive reasoning.
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I see your points, but then again recon ships would have it then. *Guscon, im not sure do u remember what book that was in? [Edited on 02.04.2010 1:32 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Or they view adapting cloaking to their ships as heresy.[/quote]It'd go with this. Though they seems alright with cloaking themselves in the field. Perhaps the technology required to cloak an entire ship is too much even for the Covenant. Or it requires too much power. They don't really need to be sneaky in space combat. Humanity does, because if found a given ship will likely be destroyed in an engagement. Covenant ships, on the whole, can look after themselves. Thinking about it, was there not a small cloaked ship receiving laser transmission from a planet's surface, that Keyes steamrollered over. It was receiving data about the rocks in the museum or something, was it not? Was it cloaked? Or just very small...
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It might be seen as a cowardice act to hide from a supposedly weaker enemy (and humans where space wise).
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Perhaps they just have never thought they needed it. They've always dominated in space, perhaps they think there just is no need for cloaking. Or they view adapting cloaking to their ships as heresy.
