i had the thorn was one of my first exotic bounties but i only used it in pve to get the grimoire for hand cannons. i probably have 100 kills maybe in pvp across all 3 characters with it because though some people swear by them, i personally hate hand cannons. in pve i used mostly the vision or the fang but pvp was all my messenger adept. except the first week or 2 after VOG hard mode came out and i got a vex on my first atheon kill, that was an exciting time for those of us who were there before they ruined it