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12/14/2009 11:14:54 PM
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elites maybe out of multyplayer updated with new info
ok in halo 2 chief and arbiter went hand in hand to halo 3.and it gave bungie a reason to make them look friendlier but now (reach) chief and Thel 'Vadamee(the arbiter of now) want to choke the other to death so there is a small chanche the elites might be removed out of multyplayer.
also because too many ten year old gets the game to play as dinosaurs that can shoot stuf(=joke or not XD) + a lot of people change to this in team swat to get a advantage(for me not because for some reason the green hud distracts me)(=reality)
update:mark 6 = elite armor
mark 4 =/= elite armor
edit 2: also if they return as enemys they might become like halo ce's bigger and scarrier and thus changing the hit box
edit 3: here is something new a reason they could be in mp: ii think most heard of bioshock 2 witch has a completly diffrent campaing then its mp (you are not the same kind ass the main character) so bungie might keep us in mjolnir M6 but with mark 4/5 customation (like mark V helmet in H3) or they put the elites in a prototype version of thier suit (elite armor beta perhaps?) witch is just as good as the spartan one (not sure if its mark 4/5 bungie just said spartan II not what armor they are wearing and SPI (SIII armor) is impossible since its stealth(SPI) and not shield)
edit 4 : spartan III are not as strong as spartan II and are defentily weaker then elites so who knows.
ALSO new enemy has been announced (if im not wrong) witch looks like a jackal elite off spring (who knows what has happend XD)
so we might have elite like counter parts for mp
edit 5: it is said we get mjonlnir mark 5 but in lenght we are still alot smaller then the elites thus making thier hitboxes bigger.
SO THESE ARE POSSIBLE REASON THAT ELITES MIGHT DISSEAPPEAR FROM MP IM NOT SAYING I WANT THEM OR THAT THEY ARE DISSEAPPAERING FROM MP
msg to all people who say you can shoot a elite from behind on the same hieght withh a carbine/pistol or br......YOU CANT BECAUSE THIER BACK IS IN THE WAY(except for spike helmet witch sticks out a bit)
[Edited on 01.23.2010 3:53 PM PST]
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I belive Bungie carefully re-designing the Elites is a good sign that they want to improve the playability for MP. The elites so-far look more up-right again & seem to have less bulk (& for MP their larger size could be tuned down) which as size goes would basically out them on-par w/ the Spartan players. Oh & those new things your talkin about are the Jackal Skrimishers. The charge at you head on in flocks of 5/6 instead of Just sniping or carefully hiding behind their sheilds.
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i didnt have problems killing elites in swat i was dominant first them
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ChrisVN update:mark 6 = elite armor mark 4 =/= elite armor[/quote] Sorry, but it should be: Mark 5 = Elite Armor Mark 6 = Elite Armor And I forgot Mark 4 because Noble Team wears Mark 5, and in the book of The Fall of Reach it says the Mark 5 makes an Elite the perfect nemesis for an Spartan.
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To hell with Elites in MP. I hope they're out.
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I hope the elite will come back in multiplayer. Would be bad to only choose the spartans. I see what happen.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DEEP NNN I have used the Elite character model exclusively since 2005. It was the immersion aspect I liked most about them. It was a kind of pet and faithful friend you might say. Elites had no advantage in multi-player and their owners were frequently disadvantaged by verbal abuse and potentially associated attracted gunfire. There will not be one person who complained about Elites that won't find some other aspect of REACH to complain about. I can hear it now; "You're an idiot for wearing that armour"; "You're armour looks stupid and you're g--."; "You can't wear that shoulder guard in our competition."; "If you wear any armour perm you can't play with us." Bungie should continue to provide an appropriately scaled Elite combat unit for MM. Even if it is just an upgraded version of the Halo 3 Elite. Do I sound cranky at the potential loss of the Elite character model? You betcha![/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Crowgarno You are basically saying MP has to be canon even though it was never canon in the previous games.[/quote] well was master chief just as tall as the multyplayer model? Was the elite to? Is the elite right now a lot bigger witch would lead to waste of disk space for inverting a second model because else is unbalanced?
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You are basically saying MP has to be canon even though it was never canon in the previous games.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darkjigglypuff [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ChrisVN msg to all people who say you can shoot a elite from behind on the same hieght withh a carbine/pistol or br......YOU CANT BECAUSE THIER BACK IS IN THE WAY(except for spike helmet witch sticks out a bit)[/quote] Guess I'm a 1337 hax0r then, cause I can. lawl[/quote] give me proof first. and i gave you proof for blam sake
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ChrisVN msg to all people who say you can shoot a elite from behind on the same hieght withh a carbine/pistol or br......YOU CANT BECAUSE THIER BACK IS IN THE WAY(except for spike helmet witch sticks out a bit)[/quote] Guess I'm a 1337 hax0r then, cause I can. lawl
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I figured that was a redesign of the second halo CE elite helmet. I dont think thats a councilor helmet. Its clearly a combat unit and high charity was not at reach.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] peve93 i still don't know, i still have hope because bungie made the counsiler helmet smaller. A significant change? maybe not, perhaps they did this in order to implement elites in multiplayer because i can recall dozens of threads asking for that armor. So maybe Bungie is giving us what we asked for. But then again they could just leave the Elites the way they are like in Halo 2 so the elite players have the disadvantage with bigger hitboxes.[/quote] dude bungie=balance bigger hit boxes =/= unbalance a bit unlikely no?
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i still don't know, i still have hope because bungie made the counsiler helmet smaller. A significant change? maybe not, perhaps they did this in order to implement elites in multiplayer because i can recall dozens of threads asking for that armor. So maybe Bungie is giving us what we asked for. But then again they could just leave the Elites the way they are like in Halo 2 so the elite players have the disadvantage with bigger hitboxes. [Edited on 01.24.2010 1:33 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AuSam [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cloud Zephyr [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LH Justin I hope they aren't taken out, I want to see how the new model works in Halo's multiplayer.[/quote] Seconded.[/quote] I third that notion.[/quote] and what if it fails?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cloud Zephyr [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LH Justin I hope they aren't taken out, I want to see how the new model works in Halo's multiplayer.[/quote] Seconded.[/quote] I third that notion.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ChrisVN [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Honourable Elite [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ChrisVN [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Honourable Elite Elites have to be in multiplayer because of several reasons, one of them is making Halo Reach seem inferior compared to the previous games customization wise. Another reason is that some machinima makers will struggle without them. Finally, it will feel as if Bungie are catering to the MLG community by removing them. One more thing, Halo 3 ODST complaints, anyone? We all remembered just how well people took the absence of Elites in ODST's campaign, if Bungie remove them from Halo multiplayer then they will have the same feedback from the community on that matter, only much worse.[/quote] According to a site (with leaked info) there will be a new dino like enemy that is a cross version of a jackal and a elite. New character model for multyplayer to? Or a replacement for the elites dont forget we are in SPI armor now witch equals to stealth[/quote] That new enemy is the Skirmisher, it's just basically an armoured Jackal pumped up on steroids. I don't remember reading about us being in Semi-Powered Infiltration armour, I thought these Spartans wore the MJOLNIR variants instead.[/quote] nobody knows for sure about the armor. Still if you saw the gameinformer picture of the spartan III assasinating the elite youll know that elites are now too big for mp (if im not mistaking we play as spartan III in mp)[/quote] If you dont notice jorge is an SII, so we might possibly be able to chose from S II-III and an elite. if not the SII will probably just be taller for multiplayer.[/quote] so we are iether tall,small or an aline? i doubt the SII an SIII thing
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Strange.. I vividly remember Elites being the primary enemy in Halo 2...oh if you mean by "biggest" as in size..then its by far a Scarab..or a Hunter.. [Edited on 01.22.2010 5:36 AM PST]
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Don't care if elites are out of MP. It would probably balance things more. Also I'm sick of people whining about changes in reach that could affect machinima. Halo is a game. Gameplay is more important than your waste of time fanfiction videos. 95% of Machinima sucks anyway, and the good "machinimakers" should be able to continue to make quality stuff even without a player model. See, Bungie starts to care about all this outside stuff like Machina, MLG, etc and then the gameplay starts to deteriorate because they're trying to please everyone at once. They make games, and they owe nothing to anyone but the people who enjoy to play their games. Machinima is not enough of a reason to keep Elites in multiplayer where they really have no business being considering they're the biggest enemy in the game.
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I have used the Elite character model exclusively since 2005. It was the immersion aspect I liked most about them. It was a kind of pet and faithful friend you might say. Elites had no advantage in multi-player and their owners were frequently disadvantaged by verbal abuse and potentially associated attracted gunfire. There will not be one person who complained about Elites that won't find some other aspect of REACH to complain about. I can hear it now; "You're an idiot for wearing that armour"; "You're armour looks stupid and you're g--."; "You can't wear that shoulder guard in our competition."; "If you wear any armour perm you can't play with us." Bungie should continue to provide an appropriately scaled Elite combat unit for MM. Even if it is just an upgraded version of the Halo 3 Elite. Do I sound cranky at the potential loss of the Elite character model? You betcha!
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Campain <> Story Elites -are- bigger and more threatening, not 'if they are' Body's changed = Hitboxes are changed The Skirmisher, aka the new enemy, is a cousin of the Jackal, essentially the same species with a new tactic. Check the australian EB games sites Reach images. Also pick up a copy of Game Informer or Edge. Seriously. [Edited on 01.22.2010 3:23 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ChrisVN [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ARustySpoon117 The hitboxes are the same. Exact same. If you were good at SWAT, you would know where to keep your crosshair and where to shoot. I have no trouble in SWAT, no matter if it is a Spartan or an Elite. I personally dislike playing Elites in SWAT for two reasons: 1. The HUD is slightly different, which bugs me. 2. The little kids who can't play are constantly calling me a noob. Learn how to play SWAT. Learn what the hitboxes are. If I have no trouble killing Elites from any angle whatsoever, then Damaged Badger is speaking the truth, and your argument is invalid.[/quote] read the op for god sake also the placment of the hitboxes are the thing that is not the same the back is in the way for most parts of the head or did you not notice that? if you hitted a elite from 20 meter distance (out of melee range) and with the angle bieng 300 then bravo you shot a elite in the head by hitting its ass, the only way to kill a non-spike in the back of the head is from above (like 60 degrees from its position)but its still possible because the back is not in the way). ps:seriously learn hitboxes yourself first[/quote] You Can hit an Elite in the back of the head from directly behind it, its a fact. Alot of the armour is just for show on Elites meaning if you shoot at the edges of it nothing will happen, it will pass right through. Elites and Spartans are far closer than people realise for hit boxes I have tested this and I do know what I am talking about. Closer as in the same size or area but not shape though that is very close too. In Halo 2 elites were gimped and unbalanced. Not in Halo 3. As for Reach I hope Bungie will just make them work for multi player for us who like to use them. One thing though, those stupid assault and Commando heads are bugged they do not take head shots well. Dont believe me. Start a Custom, see for yourself. [Edited on 01.22.2010 1:17 AM PST]
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they wont take them out, and the elites are going to bet made taller
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I sure hope they`re still in.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mad man sam aww now what am i gonna teabag[/quote] Not much by the look of your service record. :)
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if only one good thing comes from Reach I would be happy to see those elites out of my MM.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xCoNs Maybe Brutes will be in it because of there long awaited bye bye![/quote] -blam!- that, add The Flood
