I don't get guardians shit on everyone and we still lose??

" The first comes in a shadow.  A window becomes a door.  An ebb becomes a gulf.  The second comes in bones.  Tithes offering feasts, carrying laws.  A path torn, minds shattered.  The third does not come alone. It cannot. Our truths woven into their being, desires beyond our own.  The first needs the second to fail, the third needs the first to succeed. The second will never cease, yet the first always prevails. The third is born of all outcomes. Unless, all ends flow from the same pit." We are the first The hive are the second The vex are the third

Where not humans were zombies bort back to life by gohsts

Is this book of sorrows some ancient book you have to sacrifice a first born male and a pint of blood to RNGsus to acquire

While we do have a lot in common with the Hive, in terms of fighting for our own survival and being agents for powers beyond our comprehension, you'd be mistaken to say there are no bad guys in this story. Aurash and her sisters were deceived by the worm gods when they made their eternity pacts. The worm gods told them that if they indulged their natures for eternity, they would live for eternity. But if they stopped, the worms they would host would absolutely consume them completely. The sisters were told that they would be soldiers of the Deep, that would help usher the universe into its final shape by destroying all other species. Here's the problem with that, the sisters were tricked. Because what happens when all species are destroyed and the hive or taken are the final shape of the universe? There will be no way for them to feed their worms, and they will be consumed into oblivion. Who will remain after that? The Worms. The worms who made the pact with them. You fail to understand evil. So does everyone who thinks there are no bad guys in Destiny. Evil isn't about killing per se. Evil is a lot more basic than that. Evil is deception. Evil is every action that disregards the value of life and time of others to the extent that only its own matters. Evil is selfishness. Evil is the oppression and robbery of choice. And from these all evil actions stem. Things like murder, etc... Objectively and directly speaking, the bad guys are not the Hive. They are only relatively and subjectively the bad guys, because they pose threats to our existence. But the longer the Hive exist, the deeper they go into their Worm pacts, and the less they are Hive, and the more they are The Deep. This is because just like the Taken are bound to Oryx's will, Oryx and all the Hive are bound to the will of the Deep. They can't do what they want, they HAVE to do the will of the Deep or they die. If at any point they wanted to escape their nature, which Oryx tried in the past when dialoging with the Ammonites, only death awaits them. When we're talking about objective and direct evil, we're pointed to the Deep. The Deep which forces its hosts to do as it wills without choice. Which employs deception over an entire species to become its instrument, disregarding the value of their lives or time completely. The Deep which is utterly selfish in wanting to see itself become all that there is without care for the consequences. If you read grimoire "The Scream" you'll hear Oryx's tragic revelation that he and his sisters have been deceived. In various other entries you'll see he resents his decision to take the pact or tries to find some way out of it, such as in his hiring of the Warpriest. Also, the Traveler has not done to us what the Worms have done to the Hive. Prior to guardians, the Traveler traveled our solar system terraforming planets and making them inhabitable. When it came to us we flourished. This was also done with the Ammonites and the Eliksni (Fallen). In the opening cut scene of The Taken King, our ghost also makes sure to tell us that prior to us and the collapse, there had never been a ghost or a guardian. We are unique in that aspect. In the thousands and thousands of years the Traveler has traveled, we are the first beings ever revived to wield its Light and be its agents. The Ammonites were advanced but they were no guardians. They were just culturally rich and flourishing. But they did not wield the Traveler's Light. In its dying breath, the Traveler created ghosts in its last ditch effort in order that there may be guardians. THEN we enter the picture and become agents/channels of the Sky/Traveler. What is our purpose? To preserve life and existence, and yes, to destroy forces that wish to exert their will and destruction over independent life. What is the purpose of the Hive? To destroy life and existence. Destiny's theme is not that there are no moral absolutes. Rather that further below subjective evil and good, below the gray lines of relativism, there is that which constitutes objective evil and objective good. And that, in the face of objective evil, war is not evil, but an expression of Light, for the Defense of life and happiness. But if you mean the Hive experience emotions just as we do, etc... Then definitely. They are like us. Only conditioned to respond to emotion differently as a result of their commitments to the Deep.

You mean the lambent sickness can infect humans now, and they're sinking cities with a giant worm? Okay, I'll slap the gunsmith around until he remembers that he's Marcus Fenix. Then we'll go deal with it.

Collected 46 fragments, read them all [spoiler]Hive are pretty badass[/spoiler] [spoiler]Remember the Kant!!![/spoiler]

No I didn't even read it, they are not just as human. Have you imagined what sex is like between a knight and a wizard? No. That's not something you should think about. Let's just say it's not as good as make x female. Unless your into grinding rock

Yeah I remember the last time I sucked the marrow out of a human skull like the Thrall Good times

Well if 10 years is counted in frieza minutes then they get a long life...

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Our gods don't actively try to murder the entire species of those that kill his son.

Books of Sorrow, not Book of Sorrows. Please start getting it right, people.

If they were then cursed thralls shouldn't exist. I mean which human would instantly blow themselves up just to inflict damage or try to kill the enemy.....oh wait..

I smell a hive/guardian team up! (Wishful thinking)