Pepperidge Farm remembers. We all agree a self reloading machine gun is good. But let me ask you this: When's the last time you got killed by: 1. Zhouli's Bane 2. Doom of Chelchis 3. Smite of Merain 4. Anguish of Drystan (LOL) 5. Raid Fusion rifle 6. Raid shotgun Better question: When is the last time you got one of these and didn't instantly dismantle or infuse it? Am I the only one who thinks it is a glaring problem that raid weapons went from being the most sought after weapons in the game...to infusion food? Please tell me I'm not the only one. Question: Would you use the raid primaries if they had elemental damage? Edit 2: Some people have said nobody ever used the Y1 raid weapons in crucible so it's not really a big deal anyways. I disagree. I used: 1. Vision of Confluence 2. Praedyth's Timepiece (beast mode) 3. Found Verdict 4. Praedyth's Revenge 5. Praetorian Foil (beast mode ×2) 6. Corrective Measure 7. Light of the Abyss 8. Abyss Defiant 9. Fang of Ir Yut 10. Oversoul Edict 11. Her Benevolence (PoE) The only 2 guns I'd even consider using from KF are the pulse and MG. That's pvp AND pve. Not even the sniper is good when the vendors sell a 1000 Yard Stare.