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Edited by BenjyX55: 2/23/2016 12:12:36 AM
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Addressing the "arguments" against evolution.

Whenever an evolution thread pops up, I always see the same arguments being used by creationists, and always the arguments are defeated. I've decided to address them all here. [quote][b][i]Micro is real but macro isn't.[/i][/b][/quote] These are the same thing on different scales. So-called "macro-evolution" is the culmination of many adaptations. [quote][b][i]There's no evidence of Evolution[/i][/b][/quote] This is false. Here's one example. http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/060501_tiktaalik [quote][b][i]Nobody can prove it because nobody was there.[/i][/b][/quote] This argument assumes that eyewitness testimony is more valid than empirical evidence, when in reality, the opposite is true. If I go out and shoot somebody, it doesn't matter if nobody was there to see it, because the police can trace the bullets back to my gun. [quote][b][i]Evolution doesn't explain how life started.[/i][/b][/quote] It doesn't need to. Evolution explains how life changes over time, the same way Google Maps explains how a car can get from point A to point B. It doesn't matter where the car came from. [quote][b][i]If evolution were real it would be a law, not a theory.[/i][/b][/quote] This argument relies on the misconception that a scientific theory is a precursor to a scientific law. A scientific law states that something happens. A scientific theory explains how and/or why it happens. Theories do not become laws and laws do not originate as theories. For example, the law of conservation of mass, law of definite proportions, and law of multiple proportions describe properties of matter. Atomic theory explains why these laws exist. [quote][i][b]Evolution is impossible because things cannot change "kinds".[/b][/i][/quote] First of all, "kind" is not a biological classification. Second, evolution does not happen in a single generation. Speciation has been observed in nature. Downs Syndrome is an example of how an organism's chromosome count can differ from that of its parents. These things can and do happen today. [quote][b][i]Why aren't humans evolving?[/i][/b][/quote] Humans aren't supposed to be able to tolerate dairy after weening. Tolerance for lactose is an example of a relatively recent evolution. [quote][b][i]Why are there still apes?[/i][/b][/quote] There aren't. At least, not the kind from which humans are descended. Modern homonids, including humans, are all descendants of a common ancestor. [quote][b][i]Mutation is harmful so it can't affect evolution.[/i][/b][/quote] You have trillions of DNA base pairs in every cell. If even one of those doesn't copy correctly, that's a mutation. Mutations occur every time a cell divides, and most have no significant effects. Some have very minor effects. A few have adverse effects. A few have advantages. [quote][b][i]Evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics.[/i][/b][/quote] This law only applies to an isolated system. Earth isn't an isolated system. Praise the sun! [quote][b][i]All evidence for evolution was fabricated by the devil.[/i][/b][/quote] I would love to see any evidence to support this claim. [quote][b][i]The evolutionary perspective of psychology excuses certain behaviors.[/i][/b][/quote] No, it doesn't. It explains them. Key difference. [quote][b][i]Darwin spoke against evolution.[/i][/b][/quote] Darwin's word isn't gospel. We agree with him when he supports evolution because he gives evidence. We disagree when he opposes it because we've since found new evidence. [quote][b][i]Evolution is a conspiracy created by atheists. [/i][/b][/quote] Darwin wasn't an atheist. Neither is the current Pope. Plenty of theists support evolution. [quote][b][i]Why can't we agree to disagree?[/i][/b][/quote] Why couldn't Galileo and the Pope agree to disagree? Because Galileo had facts. The Pope had beliefs. [quote][b][i]I refuse to accept it because of my religion.[/i][/b][/quote] If faith is worth more to you than fact, then you are a truly sad individual. I hope this post has been informative. I get tired of seeing the same old arguments that didn't work before and still don't work now. If I missed any, I'll be sure to address them. Denying evolution is denying the scientific method. The science that game us the theory of evolution is the same science that gave us modern technology. Evolution is fact, and saying you don't believe it is like saying you don't believe in computers. Here are some sources. Enjoy. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Microevolution http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/07/microevolution097801.html http://science.kennesaw.edu/~rmatson/3380theory.html http://m.livescience.com/21457-what-is-a-law-in-science-definition-of-scientific-law.html http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/100201_speciation http://www.ndss.org/Down-Syndrome/What-Is-Down-Syndrome/ http://anthro.palomar.edu/adapt/adapt_5.htm http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/variation/mutation/ http://biologos.org/common-questions/scientific-evidence/evolution-and-the-second-law

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  • People are two narrow minded to accept such sophisticated science

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  • FLAW!!!! The tolerance of lactose isn't an evolution outs simple genetics. People have ADAPTED to hold on to lactase enzyme and they pass it on genetically. No evolution required

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    • [i]*Loads TX-130 SaberTank lazer round*[/i] Well typed

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    • You do realize that the mutations are random? If whales evolved from cows, how come that i'm not seeing cow whales? Wheres the missing link?

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      • Honestly, that's what I call a cool story bro. Such a riveting tale, I honestly copy and pasted it to word, saved on my hard drive, backed it up on a jump drive, drove to the bank, put the jump drive in the safe deposit box, and will leave it there until my kids turn about 12 (when they can actually state their age, and ask what it is I'm showing them), when I will pick it up, put it in an old USB drive reader and relay this cool story to them and tell them, "kids, this is what a cool story should look and sound like...not like the stories your generation tells.

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        • For the theory argument evolution theory is on the same level as gravity and we stay on the earth quite solidly.... ^~^

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        • U know it kinda sux being atheist because if we are right there's no one to say I told u so, and if God actually is real we would be burning in hell while those above laugh at us and say told u so

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          • No creationists say evolution has no evidence. We don't say just because it's a theory it isn't true. What we say is that it's just a theory with evidence supporting it so it's not a fact. This is true, evolution is not a fact it's a theory that probably never will be 100% proven

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            • Edited by Lazyzombie2000: 2/27/2016 2:47:21 AM
              Last time I checked/studied evolution there were inconsistencies and missing links. Now that doesn't mean you trash the whole idea, but it does mean something is not right. But like I said, it's been awhile.

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                • [i][b]IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE OF EVOLUTION!![/b][/i] https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/193887916/0/0/1

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                • I believe in [spoiler]SIEGE HEIL![/spoiler]

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                  • And btw you say I'm sad for believing in religion rather than the some how "absolutely true" but fairly recent idea of evolution but you won't be so happy when I'm passing through the pearly gates and you're burning in a lake of fire for all eternity

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                    • ^my status

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                      • Edited by uknownsoulja: 2/25/2016 5:35:37 AM
                        I say we put all evolution believers on an island and all non-believers on another island and see how each group evolves after 10 generations. [spoiler]irony[/spoiler]

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                      • Those are some stupid ass arguments. I'm not against evolution, but your ability to pick them apart doesn't prove much.

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                        • Hey OP, I agree with you because I know all of these are correct, but I'm going to play Devil's advocate here to represent many people here who don't think Evolution is real, and that Creationism is a more legitimate form. I am doing this because I would like your opinion on this statement. Though, I'm also going to pull the Gamestop route and say that I won't buy 90% of your sources. I would say that you're lying and deluding yourself. Now that the Devil's Advocate is out of the way, I would say that I wholeheartedly agree with you, though with the milk thing, that's a mix of biology and anthropology. Some areas that are more adopt a Pastoralist lifestyle tend to have a more lactose persistent "gene set" to say, for lack of better terminology on the spot. Areas such as the Congo Republic, where Pastoralism has been practiced since I don't remember how long ago, have adapted to that from long ago (though, ~10,000 years is fairly recent in comparison to other things, so I'll give you this as well that it's also fairly recent). I'm a Catholic and I was raised to believe that Creationism is true while Evolution is false. I grew up in a Catholic household, my entire family is Catholic (though, the only two scientists are my father and I), but even then, my family tends to be very accepting of Evolution. I do still practice Catholicism, but I let that explain things for me that science can't explain (such as more faith based connections within families and stuff), but I let science do the objective facts for me. Basically, I use compassion from the Bible, while I use science and book objectivity on everything else.

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                        • Edited by t8J3h4IbG: 2/22/2016 9:35:42 PM
                          [quote][quote]Evolution doesn't explain how life started.[/quote] It doesn't need to. Evolution explains how life changes over time, the same way Google Maps explains how a car can get from point A to point B. It doesn't matter where the car came from.[/quote] It doesn't need to? If the car wasn't created in the first place it couldn't have gone from point a to b

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                          • Um, I think #Offtopic has enough of these posts.

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                            • The only thing that annoys me is that evolution threads are still being made. A b.net thread isn't gonna change anyone's mind on such an important subject. All it does is piss off a bunch of people, no matter which side you're on. There's honestly no point besides that. And about your "agree to disagree" part, it's kinda immature. Why? Because it shows that you aren't accepting of other beliefs or opinions, even if you believe they're flawed. Disagree, that's fine, but don't actively pursue people who disagree with you in an attempt to change their minds. Not gonna fight anybody about that, just throwing it out there.

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                              • Edited by mccwrc09: 2/21/2016 9:48:31 PM
                                Why cant we agree to let people believe in whatever they want to. School does not teach evolution, because its controversial

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                                • Evolution is not a fact. It's amazing that some guys on Bnet have decided that they are more intelligent than many experienced and seasoned scientists that don't believe in evolution. Just goes to show the arrogance of today's society.

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                                  • well said

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                                  • Don't forget we can see evolution today by such examples as bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics if given in small dosages not enough to kill them and I'm sure there are more

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