I'm saying there is no part of destiny that is or ever will be competitive. Not even trials. Destiny is a fps-rpg. A rpg can never be competitive. Crucible is meant to be a past time. Go in do your quests/bounties, grind out some mats/gear, and have fun killing other guardians. Bungie has listened to the wrong people about the game and they are slowly but surely imploding. The only good thing about TTK is that the raid isn't cheeseable. With an exception of the sword glitch on totems and the useless hiding spot on golgoroth.