So I'm supposed to take their opinion over factual data? If you go to Guardian GG and look at the weapon stats, you can see how few kills Thorn is responsible for in the crucible on top of the numbers that show it's mediocre TTK. But yeah, because some streamers made a video saying it's bad, it's bad. This is why these forums drive me nuts, so stuck on a notion or idea that even when presented with hard facts that prove them incorrect, they ignore them because xyz streamer said so.