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#Septagon

1/25/2011 7:42:35 PM
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Haven't we already been through this?

From the new rules: [quote]Do not discuss unauthorized modification of console game hardware or software, even if you're not trying to cheat or pirate.[/quote] In my philosophy of law class yesterday, we discussed why exactly laws are so complicated. Everyone interprets them differently, and their meanings change over time. But why does this rule have to be so vague? What's the goal of the rule? To prevent people using Bungie.net to find out how to cheat? To prevent people from using this site to find out how to mod their 360? To stop all discussion on modifications? If it's to prevent cheating, why not just combing this rule with the rule about cheating? "Detailing methods of cheating, including console modifications is not allowed".

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  • Generally, we don't care if you talk about your Kinect hacks or case mods or whatever (as long as it is on-topic to the forum you're chatting in). But we need some kind of rule to let people know that if you do stray into territory involving reverse engineering or "hacking" things that affect stuff we care about (like the security of our software or Xbox Live, or ways such efforts could be used for piracy), you'll get your conversation shut down (a lock and a warning). "Authorize" was the word chosen to temper the rule from an outright ban on such discussion, as we're not going to list specifics and end up back where we started before. We're also trying to avoid blanket "you can't do this" type rules when possible. Complaints over the word choice to communicate this intent are going to be ineffective given that you all mostly understand the intention and are suggesting a preemptive change for a problem that hasn't been demonstrated. I'm unconvinced it will become a problem, especially compared to some of the other rule changes made. Given the mess of the rules that we just replaced, I think I'll take you guys focusing on just one word in such a minor rule as a sign of improvement if word choice is what you're spending effort on. This new rule philosophy is going to take some getting used to by both us (the admins) and you. We can endlessly fiddle with it to deal with theoretical problems, but at some point, we have to see how it works. For now, I think we're good, and we'll revisit this issue later if it becomes a real problem instead of a theoretical one. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Primum Agmem It's not that I didn't get what the rule meant - everything in the rule except the word "unauthorised" is perfectly clear. That word is just placed in a daft place, giving the rule a far greater vagueness than needed to exist. We're just asking for the word to be moved around. Honestly, is that really that difficult?[/quote]

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