[b]Edit: I've made some corrections and clarifications. More detail at the end of the post.[/b]
In a recent discussion on the [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/190675733/0/0/1]status of the Traveler[/url], it was discussed whether the Traveler is [b]dead[/b], or whether its in some state we observe as "dead" and referenced as "dead" by the Ghosts, or perhaps some state that satisfies both cases without precluding a possible return to activity... Basically, is he dead?
While researching Rasputin, I found some thing very interesting reading Ghost Fragment: Rasputin 5. The following is lifted directly from my original post.
[quote]If available ISR and WARWATCH
indicates imminent [O] departure
>then [O] departure compromises
human/neohuman survival and epoch
strategy
...
Activate LOKI CROWN
Perform deniable authorization: full
caedometric and noetic release
Prevent [O] departure by any means
available[/quote]
So LOKI CROWN was an operation by Rasputin to prevent the departure of the Traveler ("[i][O][/i]").
What's interesting is that, the actions taken include a Caedometric release, and a Noetic release.
What we know of a Caedometric release is nothing. If we want to speculate, we can break the word down: Caedo- and -metric.
Caedo- can be taken to mean something pertinent to cutting or hewing.
-metric can be taken to mean relating to measurements of some sort. If we allow a bit of interpretive leeway, a "measure" could mean "actions or procedures intended as a means to an end."
So we could say that a Caedometric release is simply a powerful cutting or separation process that achieves a particular objective. Which holds true when we consider the Dakaua Ministry of War approved a Caedometric release when attempting to fight the Hive. They identified Auryx and her sisters as the head of the Hive and intended to collapse the Hive by hewing the heads.
As for the term "Noetic," this word has actual meaning: of or relating to the mind or intelligence.
With this having been said, I have two theories:
1) LOKI CROWN prevented the escape of the Traveler by cutting its mind from its body;
1a) It should be noted that Cayde-6 is a pretty prolific Hunter. Many assume he is, in part or whole, Rasputin. But what if Cayde was one of many slices of the Traveler? What if his name is specifically chosen to indicate a "slice" ([i]Caed[/i]ometric... [i]Cayde[/i]...) [u]1[/u]
1b) It is known that Cayde-6 has a memory that isn't his. This memory could be interpreted as either the Traveler or Rasputin, but I rather think it's the Traveler. This knowledge comes from Cayde's journal where he describes a memory, but knows it isn't his, but that it's his most important.
2) LOKI CROWN prevented the escape of the Traveler by "cutting off" his escape route, the price of which was Rasputin's Noetic release, however, Rasputin was able to capture his detached intelligence in the bodies of (4?) Exos (of which Cayde is one?).
One other thing to note, the desired outcome of LOKI CROWN was to "coerce a pseudoaltruistic [O] defensive action..." which is likely the reason why, after being prevented from escaping, the Traveler released the Ghosts. It was an action that seems altruistic, but in reality is simply just a self-defense mechanism.
[spoiler]A thought occurs: what if the Ghosts are a type of anti-body released by the Traveler to protect itself. The Ghosts then re-animate Earthlings to fight against the Darkness. After all, the Guardians must have in them an innate drive to fight the Darkness, which would explain the uncontrollable popularity of the Concordat, and the Tower's continued war.[/spoiler]
Further to the Cayde-Rasputin theory, in the Rasputin entry of the Grimoire, it says:
[quote]But Rasputin has proven recalcitrant and high-handed, unresponsive to the City's outreach.
...Perhaps what remains is only an autonomic shell, defending itself by reflex.[/quote]
Continuance:
[quote]Or perhaps Rasputin's objectives have changed, transformed by some vital information it obtained during those dark days.[/quote]
It's my belief that the continuance of the quote, that portion is a red herring for the true reality of Rasputin. To give a bit of meta reasoning, the mystery and conjecture elicit an immediate reaction, overwhelming the previous point which seems like a mundane dead end.
More toward the quote, however, what if Rasputin's Noetic release purged its higher functionality and it is now simply a shell reacting on, perhaps, pre-designed reflex while preparing for Rasputin's, eventual, re-integration?
To borrow from [url=http://www.destinypedia.com/Rasputin]Destinypedia[/url]:
[quote]MIDNIGHT EXIGENT - A long-term counterattack protocol and moral structure change. All Warminds enter a period of extended deactivation in an effort to survive and later devise a countermeasure for an overwhelming threat. As of the Taken War, MIDNIGHT EXIGENT is still in-progress.[/quote]
MIDNIGHT EXIGENT seems to indicate that Rasputin is actually responding in an autonomic fashion. Given that his systems are all still deactivated since we know, from in-game context, MIDNIGHT EXIGENT is still in effect.
My closing statement: I'm of the opinion that Rasputin tried to combat the Darkness but failed, as specified in Ghost Fragment: Rasputin 3. It then activates MIDNIGHT EXIGENT which places it in an extended hold until reactivated, presumably when the strategic forecast has improved. This final step satisfied the internal conditions seen in Ghost Fragment: Rasputin 5, where its tactical morality is MIDNIGHT. At some point, an ISR and/or WARWATCH satellite detected the Traveler's imminent departure. This activated the automated LOKI CROWN process which releases Caedometric and Noetic attacks on the Traveler, effectively preventing the Traveler's escape.
As a defensive measure, likely an automatically triggered response, the Traveler begins to release Ghosts which have the ability to create an army of Light powered warriors that is presumably working to eliminate the Darkness while, simultaneously, attempting to undo the damage caused by Rasputin's Caedometric attack. It could very well be possible that the Speaker is actually a portion of the Traveler's intelligence captured in the body of an Exo. And perhaps Cayde-6 is another fraction of the Traveler, which accounts for his prolific reputation, and perhaps the reason why Andal Brask would joke that Cayde was Rasputin (Ghost Fragment: Rasputin).
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Original Text: actually meant "Sixth Slice?" ([i]Caed[/i]ometric... Cayde...)
Reason for change: 6 indicates the number of memory wipes.
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Edited by Gr8er than u m8: 3/27/2016 3:10:19 PMAuryx = Oryx Just FYI
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1 ReplyAn interesting theory, the Cayde stuff seemed slightly surreal, but it was very interesting to read nevertheless Thanks, OP
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1 ReplyI really love the lore and subsequent speculation regarding the traveller, Rasputin and the darkness. I entertain all theories. Thanks for putting this out there!
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6 RepliesSeems to me that the war minds spotted and tracked a massive threat to all life in the solar system. As per one of rasputans transmissions. They did what they could to fight this threat but when Rasputan determined that there was no way to defeat it, he ordered a shutdown of all the war minds. That threat is the traveler. The traveler is the darkness. Running the defense to hold the traveler at earth was an effort to keep it from destroying other life forms in other solar systems until a full destruction was attainable. All the other waring entities like the Vex and Fallen came to our solar system to destroy the darkness because it had destroyed their home worlds. In an effort to defend itsself after the war mind attack, the traveler released some of the souls it had consumed in the form of Ghosts. The ghost can only reannimate the body of its original owner, hense the long search for the body. The Ghost rebuilds the person and loads memories that the traveler thinks will motivate him to fight. When the Guardians body is killed, the ghost rebuilds it and installs memories again. The Guardians keep track of how many times they have been killed...Saint 14 and Cayde 6 for example. The story line has the stranger thinking that you could be the one to finally destroy the traveler. Note that she does not have a ghost because she has not been killed by the traveler and had her soul stolen. Anyway, rasputan is testing you to see if you could be the one to destroy the darkness once and for all. The sleeper is the war minds maintainer. You will need his help. He is in stasis now but perhaps the sleeper simulant can be used in the mission to wake him. Eventually, your character will be used to destroy the traveler (darkness). For now, have fun being able to be rebuilt over and over again by your ghost...once the darkness is destroyed, you and your soul (ghost) will be reunited and you will not be able to be rebuilt.
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Any other thoughts? I find this theory really compelling. And since it's mind, I'm a bit blind to the holes. Would love to get some in-depth feedback.
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3 RepliesHe's dead to me, yet can still apparently break the laws of gravity.
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5 RepliesI never underestimated Rasputins involvement. He seems to me to calculate every move, lives death everything just being numbers. I also believe the idea that he may be separated somehow into an exo or exos. Reminds me of when it was believed that the exo slouched against a wall in the art for destiny before it's release was Rasputin.
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1 ReplyI think that the traveler was going to leave when the darkness hit earth. Like what he did with the fallen. Rasputin knew that so he crippled him. And that's why he hates us we're spawn of his enemy
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11 RepliesYou seem quite knowledgeable, so What does "and light returns to the Traveler!" even mean? What does it even mean ghost! Also, if the Traveler is more than just a ball in the sky, and Rasputin couldn't even harm the darkness, I think it's safe to assume his measures against the Traveler wouldn't work right?
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3 RepliesRasputin isn't sleeping though he has a direct communication with the exo stranger in the grimoire.
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3 RepliesInteresting read. I've been away from the game too long to form an opinion/theory of my own. I just hope they do something more with the lore in the second edition of Destiny. It's as if multiple writers came up with the current lore and that's why it's so open to speculation.
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1 ReplyI love the theory of everything, minus your Cayde-6 one. In an exo grim. card, we are told that the number with their name represents how many times their memory has been reset. So... Cayde-6 has been reset 6 times Banshee-44 has been reset 44 times And so on.
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13 RepliesIn short The Traveler never intended on leaving. Rasputin made a contingency plan, which when fulfilled he'd DECIDE what to do, there's nothing saying he directly attacked. And there's more saying he didn't, but witnessed the attack from another source. Cayde-6 isn't caed eometric, his number is the number of wipes he's had. He was once human. Cayde-6 isn't a part of Rasputin, if you were to say the Exo shell was I'd agree, but that's still only speculation. God is dead and we killed him, but the Traveler isn't entirely lost, in my opinion.
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7 RepliesThe traveller came back to earth after giving us the golden age. Because he knew the darkness was coming. He came back to protect us. He didn't do it with any other species. Rasputin didn't kill the traveler.
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BTW, the Exos are ancient humans whose bodies were converted to robot form by Clovis Bray. The number after their name is the number of memory wipes they've had. Banshee-44 is an explicitly forgetful being.
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Bump. I hope Bungie will bring out more lore like this in Destiny 2.
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3 RepliesRasputin never activated Loki Crown. He definitely planned to (Rasputin 5) as he developed his protocols, but when the darkness showed up, Rasputin didn't actually implement Loki crown, he stopped short. He went midnight and signed off instead.
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Rasputin and the traveller had viral inter cause and the vex were Born. The vex then shutdown there artifial parents because they didn't want to get there ears clipped for being little arse holes
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1 ReplyMy response to the Rasputin entry in the Grimoire is a bit confusing. To clarify, it's my belief that Rasputin is awaiting activation, and that the activation requirements have not been met. Meaning that his responses to the tower, thus far, have been autonomic and pending a particular circumstance. One possibility exists: what if the same ISR and WARWATCH satellites that detected the Traveler's departure, are set to detect his re-activation as well? What if, when the Traveler is revived, Rasputin will revive as well to re-assess the battlefield? After all, LOKI CROWN was a final defense mechanism to defer the destruction of civilization, essentially relying on whatever last ditch effort the Traveler made. So if the Traveler is conscious, reason stands that the situation is ideal for Rasputin to re-activate so that the new conditions of the battle can be analyzed and a new strategy assumed.