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Edited by H_TOWN_BALLA_80: 1/28/2016 6:27:23 PM
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A list of educated suggestions for Mr. Parsons from both a Destiny die hard and vet working in the industry.

First and foremost, congratulations Mr. Parsons on your newest endeavor at Bungie! I for one want to warmly welcome you to the community with a fresh slate and state for the record that I have high hopes for you and what you could do to improve Destiny. Like many others, even those that have not played for some time yet still troll these forums, we want to see Destiny succeed. For many reasons it has been going downhill and rapidly at that. The lack of communication and seemingly stubborn attitude to stick with bad decisions with a dash of condescension sprinkled on top when we do get communication has lead to a very toxic environment. To "cut to the chase" as it were, here is a list that is most likely not comprehensive, but rather a starting point, of things that should be changed asap: [b]Etheric Light[/b] - I'm sure you know what Etheric Light was in House of Wolves, so I won't define that for you. I will explain though why it is important to make this effective like it was in HoW immediately. Note that you will hear some people deny they want this. Please be aware they are in the minority and either deleted their cool Y1 stuff or never had it to begin with and are simply jealous. I know that seems too simple of an explanation but sometimes the truth is just that simple. Others will claim they just "don't want everyone to use Y1 weapons and armor" which as anyone with common sense knows, that is more of a problem with that person and their personality than a game issue. Something that probably has haunted them for years if they have to control others in that fashion. As I’m sure you know, what someone uses in Destiny should be their choice and not matter to anyone else. Anyway, enough on why those people are wrong and how there is no logic in their argument. I don’t want to waste your time in stating the obvious. The point is that Etheric Light made 100% of Destiny relevant. Any raid we wanted to run was relevant as was PoE since we could upgrade any weapons found in the “wild” to current standards. Let that sink in. 100% of your game, Destiny, was relevant! All weapons, all armor, all activities! I’m sure you can see how this is a good thing, you want people to play more, not less. As it stands now, only The Taken King is relevant as far as progression and end game play. Which would be fine if it was much larger or much better in all aspects than the previous combined playable game – which it falls very, very short of that goal. [b]Pre-Taken King economies[/b] – Bring them back. All of them. One of the main problems in Destiny (especially at Taken King) was the constant reinventing of the wheel. Tweaks, changes and adjustments are fine. But almost every expansion, instead of being excited, most of us were filled with dread on what was going to totally be changed for no reason and probably for the worse. I won’t list every item, your devs have it on file, but pre TTK faction rep gains, mote and weapon parts drops, vanguard and crucible marks and many others. None of that was broken, no reason to “fix” it. Put it back to how it was. There is nothing definitively better for the players with this new system we have had since TTK. [b]Stay the course[/b] – Once you have done the above 2 things, stop screwing with the game. Sit back, relax and rake in the cash. I have always said, HoW was the pinnacle of Destiny and many, many agree with me and this was mainly due to Etheric Light (seriously, get this back in asap). HoW is what convinced me to plop down my $80 for the CE edition of TTK despite Luke Smith (more on him later) and previous blunders and lies. Literally, all TTK needed to do coming off of HoW was this, add more enemies to shoot, add a new level cap, add new maps. That is it. Those 3 things and you would have been golden and Mr. Ryan would possibly still have his job. Instead, all of the negative things I mentioned earlier happened and here we are today. [b]Stop screwing the players[/b] – Every expansion we lost game playability in terms of relevance and we lost gear. Let’s be clear, this is not an MMO and not an RPG and frankly not even close to either of those. This is a FPS and damn good one. Like any FPS, I expect to have my full arsenal until a sequel comes out. Year 2 is not Destiny 2 and therefore there is absolutely no reason that I nor any other player should be handcuffed in our gear selection simply because something is Y1 or Y2. If Destiny is going to be done in installments such as Destiny 1, 2, 3 etc, then there is no logical explanation to lose my gear while still in an instance of one of those installments. Even if you were not doing sequel installments and simply adding expansions every few months, the motto is to “become legend” if I remember correctly and to “play how I want to play”. Well, I have no way of doing that when you force your will upon me as a player. Until this becomes an actual MMO, we should have access to ALL of our gear AND it be relevant to the current game at any time. Stop taking our gear away every expansion and then re selling it to us. [b]Communication[/b] – We need more of it and less condescension from Deej when it’s being delivered. We’ve also literally been lied to. Stop that. Frankly when I list a lot of these things, how Destiny still has players is almost mind boggling. [b]Luke Smith [/b]– His job status is not my concern. However, if he is going to stay at Bungie, I would suggest a “come to Jesus” meeting with him and muzzle him too. If you think he is a good creative talent, fine, but give him his marching orders that he needs to do the above suggested items and be creative with those items in mind in the future. [b]PvE[/b] – It needs to be focused on. Now. This is your core player base, address them. [b]PvP[/b] – I for one want to use my PvE found weapons and armor and play against other players. That makes Destiny unique. The problem is you have people more worried about their K/D than the game itself. Simple solution (easier said than done I’m sure but should be doable) make a K/D play list that is for the people who care about that and they get a set load out so no one can cry something is OP. Create a playlist for those of us that want to use our PvE weapons in a PvP format but not track our K/D permanently. Just tell us our K/D that match or something. I feel like this would appease both sides and stop the nerfs. Which speaking of……… [b]Nerfs[/b] – Stop doing them. A sum total of 0 weapons in this game have ever been “game breaking” and only a few were OP and even then they were only OP in a PvP sense. Make those separate PvP environments I mentioned and PvE weapons should be good as is. Many need to be buffed and fixed from the previous year or nerfs. Good luck with that code. Destiny has literally become an internet meme for pock faced children crying for nerfs. That’s an embarrassment. Bring respect back to your game, show some back bone, stop the nerfs. [b]Matchmaking[/b] – We need it in game, not through LFG. However you want to figure that out, fine but make it in game. [b]Nighfalls and Weekly Heroic Strikes[/b] – Bring them back to how they were in Y1 and leave them alone. [b]Xur[/b] – Make him relevant again somehow. I don’t even think noobs use him and I only use him for heavy ammo. He’s a non-factor in Y2. I get that some of that is due to a lot of Exotics in Y2 are acquired through quests (which I like personally) so he can’t really sell them, but something needs to be changed here. [b]Leveling system[/b] – Scrap the light level system asap. Go back to just normalized number leveling like we had in Y1. If you keep light leveling, you need to standardize what you get in the raids. Normal should drop nothing but 310, hard nothing but 320. No ifs ands or buts. If you run hard raid, you should only get hard raid drops. Moldering shards should not be your only reward if you get anything at all. Take a cue from games like Borderlands and Diablo and spray me in the face with multiple high level loot sometimes. Not all the time but sometimes at least. [b]Smart loot[/b] – Loot should only be dropping at or above my current light. I’m sure there is much more that we could add to the list and I encourage people to add to this post. But this should serve as a starting point. I’m a Day 1 player of Destiny and have logged many hours into this game. On reset days (Tuesdays) I used to race home, made sure nothing was on my schedule and would run through 3 nightfalls and 3 weekly heroic strikes on my 3 characters and then do some raids. All in one night and it was a blast. I stayed up way too late on work nights but I felt like a teenager again and it was awesome. I would play almost every day for a minimum of 3+ hours a day and could not get enough. Now, I barely log in and am unhappy when I do a lot of the times. There is nothing that presses me to get on at a certain time or spend hours in this game. You see what I am getting at here I assume? That’s it for now I guess. Good luck to you and I look forward to seeing what’s to come. If this somehow made it to your desk and is more than just an exercise in futility for me, I want to thank you for taking the time to read it. [b]EDIT:[/b] I'm not active on Reddit (surprisingly) but Bungie seems to LOVE Reddit and other sites. I would encourage someone to re post this message and the post link on those sites as well. As much attention as we can draw to this list, the better. More discussion will hopefully move the needle with the goal being Mr. Parsons actually seeing this. Thanks for the bumps so far! We've got it trending for now.
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  • Edited by Narconomic: 1/29/2016 3:20:18 PM
    I feel you are missing some details, saying 'PvE fix It' isn't going to get us anywhere, list out the shit from PvE that needs to go or be changed, i'll give you one, RNG, double, triple fecking RNG. Many of your criticisms can be explained simply in that they happened because Bungie had to stretch out 1 games worth of content over 2 years while they go onto Destiny 2 and that's now going to be more like 3 years. If I remember back to Vanilla upto TTK I probably would have cleared all of it in 2 months if it weren't for their RNG and chopping the content. So for the other 2 years 10 months i'd have just been fecking board with annoying PvP and same old no point weekly rotating events...oh wait that's exactly what has happened just broken up into disappointing DLC's. Light level's fine as long as there is as you say smart loot (which they promised there was for TTK, another lie!) Infusion on all gear -blam!- yes, Etheric light to boost yes, get rid of that shit 70-80% transfer from light level. It should be like for like, I shouldn't have to use 3 bloody high level weapons or armour just to get one from 310 to 320. Reforging, bring that back. I don't want to grind the same shit just to wear the gear I want with the perks I want. Larger sub class trees, gear that increases spec class perks.. I could go on but I've done this to may times. Well done for the effort, glad there's still people about that can be bothered.

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    • From a pvp stand point vanilla vex was pretty game breaking

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      • Pre nerf vex was game breaking... as was prenerf thorn and glitching tlw... other than that great post.

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        • Uber-bump. Sums everything up in one post

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        • Great post. One thing I will add is... 100% infusion needs to happen. This will make gear choice considerably higher. I shouldn't have to put 2 310s into a 300 to get a 310.

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        • i almost flew off my handle when i started reading your post because i do not wanna go back to year one in any way, but you have some really nice suggestions and ideas and reading through them i totally support them (except the whole year one economy. i am fine with what we have now) :o)

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        • Edited by II Stargazer x: 1/29/2016 10:02:20 AM
          All great ideas but it is too little too late for me, I have boycotted Destiny for until it beings in things focused more on PvE, matchmaking/group finder for PvE, separate PvP nerfs on PvE items, Year 1 relevance and Etheric Light relevance are just a few things i have issues with and you are right that Etheric Light made all Destiny relevant, shame they went back on it in TTK. Edit: If the economy is changed back to year 1 at least allow factions to accept Vanguard Marks for their respected gear

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        • And how about fairly priced DLC, charging for a game and a season pass is fine, but to ask for another £40 on top of the £85 already paid is ridiculous, I NEVER paid the £40 for TTK and NEVER will. That content was NOT worth the price.

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          • Edited by GooglyEyedDog: 1/29/2016 8:50:07 AM
            Don't agree with everything you say, ( you can't please all of the people etc) but if they implemented your suggestions I would cheer from the rooftops. Then they should leave things alone !!!!!!!!! I might even spend more hours playing the game if they did, as at the moment, I am getting more fun out of the forums than the game itself

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          • Edited by BoomerSooner51: 1/29/2016 5:31:27 AM
            We want to feel powerful. We want to be over-powered in PvE. We want to blow shit up. We want to run head long into a crowd of enemies and stomp asses. We aren't asking to make the game easy. If there must be an increase in the sheer number of enemies to offset our new found power, then do it. We want to blow shit up. We want all of our weapons to feel like Gjallarhorn, in both power and uniqueness. We also want better rewards more often, much more often. Like you said, gear shouldn't be dropping 30-40 light levels below our current level. [url=http://imgur.com/pgiasjH]THESE KINDS OF REWARDS ARE UNACCEPTABLE WHEN YOU "MERCY" A TEAM[/url] And you are completely right. Bring back the Y1 leveling system. Legendaries all drop at the same level. I guarantee you I will use more gear if we get rid of this stupid infusion system.

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            • Xur should sell exotic ships, shaders, banners, sparrows as well as guns and armor. Other than that! BUMP

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            • don't forget these awesome ideas https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/188531954/0/0/1

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            • I quit reading after the first few paragraphs -this is so badly and unintelligently written, stepping into so many logical pitfalls, that the word "educated" in the title seems nothing but an empty parody.

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              • Couldn't agree anymore with you if I tried. For me PvE is everything. The loot drop system has to change - at your level or above sounds great, why they don't introduce it, I have no idea

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              • Could not agree more, I love this game, I want it to be great, but I'm totally fed up now. The game is broken and your player base is eroding fast, fix it now or never recover, its simple.

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              • The second I read using Etheric Light to make Y1 gear relevant in Y2 I bumped. Although if they bring ANY of the raid weapons and armor in year Y2 they need to be tweaked. Everything else could be "ascended" to year two status, removing any ability to reforge.

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              • Good post. Agree with everything other than the economy. This shouldn't detract from the great things they introduced (the Taken, swords, more activities, swords, exotic quests, did I mention swords, cool new exotics etc.) but we had (in playability and fun terms) had to pay a heavy price.

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              • A follow up comment: They could allow lower light infusion at a 1 light rate for example you have a gun at 312 light, you can infuse a 256 light gun onto it and make it 313 light, this allows EVERYONE to reach max light without doing the end-game or simply bring back Etheric light

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                • Just don't care about K.D in total... You're not getting any benefits from it nor are you getting ostracized for it. The only reason to care about K.D is for social status. I hope that no one desires a grand amount of attention from others. But what am I saying? All lower stratum normalities desire attention.... No matter the social subclass.

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                • I agree with 99% of your post, but I strongly disagree with your stance on marks. The two mark system was stupid, I hated PvP and couldn't purchase anything from my own faction because they took crucible marks. This system is better.

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                  • I miss the feeling of "oh my god I finally got the....*insert exotic here*" I literally cannot stand how easy it is to get exotics.

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