First and foremost, congratulations Mr. Parsons on your newest endeavor at Bungie! I for one want to warmly welcome you to the community with a fresh slate and state for the record that I have high hopes for you and what you could do to improve Destiny. Like many others, even those that have not played for some time yet still troll these forums, we want to see Destiny succeed. For many reasons it has been going downhill and rapidly at that. The lack of communication and seemingly stubborn attitude to stick with bad decisions with a dash of condescension sprinkled on top when we do get communication has lead to a very toxic environment.
To "cut to the chase" as it were, here is a list that is most likely not comprehensive, but rather a starting point, of things that should be changed asap:
[b]Etheric Light[/b] - I'm sure you know what Etheric Light was in House of Wolves, so I won't define that for you. I will explain though why it is important to make this effective like it was in HoW immediately. Note that you will hear some people deny they want this. Please be aware they are in the minority and either deleted their cool Y1 stuff or never had it to begin with and are simply jealous. I know that seems too simple of an explanation but sometimes the truth is just that simple. Others will claim they just "don't want everyone to use Y1 weapons and armor" which as anyone with common sense knows, that is more of a problem with that person and their personality than a game issue. Something that probably has haunted them for years if they have to control others in that fashion. As I’m sure you know, what someone uses in Destiny should be their choice and not matter to anyone else.
Anyway, enough on why those people are wrong and how there is no logic in their argument. I don’t want to waste your time in stating the obvious. The point is that Etheric Light made 100% of Destiny relevant. Any raid we wanted to run was relevant as was PoE since we could upgrade any weapons found in the “wild” to current standards. Let that sink in. 100% of your game, Destiny, was relevant! All weapons, all armor, all activities! I’m sure you can see how this is a good thing, you want people to play more, not less. As it stands now, only The Taken King is relevant as far as progression and end game play. Which would be fine if it was much larger or much better in all aspects than the previous combined playable game – which it falls very, very short of that goal.
[b]Pre-Taken King economies[/b] – Bring them back. All of them. One of the main problems in Destiny (especially at Taken King) was the constant reinventing of the wheel. Tweaks, changes and adjustments are fine. But almost every expansion, instead of being excited, most of us were filled with dread on what was going to totally be changed for no reason and probably for the worse. I won’t list every item, your devs have it on file, but pre TTK faction rep gains, mote and weapon parts drops, vanguard and crucible marks and many others. None of that was broken, no reason to “fix” it. Put it back to how it was. There is nothing definitively better for the players with this new system we have had since TTK.
[b]Stay the course[/b] – Once you have done the above 2 things, stop screwing with the game. Sit back, relax and rake in the cash. I have always said, HoW was the pinnacle of Destiny and many, many agree with me and this was mainly due to Etheric Light (seriously, get this back in asap). HoW is what convinced me to plop down my $80 for the CE edition of TTK despite Luke Smith (more on him later) and previous blunders and lies. Literally, all TTK needed to do coming off of HoW was this, add more enemies to shoot, add a new level cap, add new maps. That is it. Those 3 things and you would have been golden and Mr. Ryan would possibly still have his job. Instead, all of the negative things I mentioned earlier happened and here we are today.
[b]Stop screwing the players[/b] – Every expansion we lost game playability in terms of relevance and we lost gear. Let’s be clear, this is not an MMO and not an RPG and frankly not even close to either of those. This is a FPS and damn good one. Like any FPS, I expect to have my full arsenal until a sequel comes out. Year 2 is not Destiny 2 and therefore there is absolutely no reason that I nor any other player should be handcuffed in our gear selection simply because something is Y1 or Y2. If Destiny is going to be done in installments such as Destiny 1, 2, 3 etc, then there is no logical explanation to lose my gear while still in an instance of one of those installments. Even if you were not doing sequel installments and simply adding expansions every few months, the motto is to “become legend” if I remember correctly and to “play how I want to play”. Well, I have no way of doing that when you force your will upon me as a player. Until this becomes an actual MMO, we should have access to ALL of our gear AND it be relevant to the current game at any time. Stop taking our gear away every expansion and then re selling it to us.
[b]Communication[/b] – We need more of it and less condescension from Deej when it’s being delivered. We’ve also literally been lied to. Stop that. Frankly when I list a lot of these things, how Destiny still has players is almost mind boggling.
[b]Luke Smith [/b]– His job status is not my concern. However, if he is going to stay at Bungie, I would suggest a “come to Jesus” meeting with him and muzzle him too. If you think he is a good creative talent, fine, but give him his marching orders that he needs to do the above suggested items and be creative with those items in mind in the future.
[b]PvE[/b] – It needs to be focused on. Now. This is your core player base, address them.
[b]PvP[/b] – I for one want to use my PvE found weapons and armor and play against other players. That makes Destiny unique. The problem is you have people more worried about their K/D than the game itself. Simple solution (easier said than done I’m sure but should be doable) make a K/D play list that is for the people who care about that and they get a set load out so no one can cry something is OP. Create a playlist for those of us that want to use our PvE weapons in a PvP format but not track our K/D permanently. Just tell us our K/D that match or something. I feel like this would appease both sides and stop the nerfs. Which speaking of………
[b]Nerfs[/b] – Stop doing them. A sum total of 0 weapons in this game have ever been “game breaking” and only a few were OP and even then they were only OP in a PvP sense. Make those separate PvP environments I mentioned and PvE weapons should be good as is. Many need to be buffed and fixed from the previous year or nerfs. Good luck with that code. Destiny has literally become an internet meme for pock faced children crying for nerfs. That’s an embarrassment. Bring respect back to your game, show some back bone, stop the nerfs.
[b]Matchmaking[/b] – We need it in game, not through LFG. However you want to figure that out, fine but make it in game.
[b]Nighfalls and Weekly Heroic Strikes[/b] – Bring them back to how they were in Y1 and leave them alone.
[b]Xur[/b] – Make him relevant again somehow. I don’t even think noobs use him and I only use him for heavy ammo. He’s a non-factor in Y2. I get that some of that is due to a lot of Exotics in Y2 are acquired through quests (which I like personally) so he can’t really sell them, but something needs to be changed here.
[b]Leveling system[/b] – Scrap the light level system asap. Go back to just normalized number leveling like we had in Y1. If you keep light leveling, you need to standardize what you get in the raids. Normal should drop nothing but 310, hard nothing but 320. No ifs ands or buts. If you run hard raid, you should only get hard raid drops. Moldering shards should not be your only reward if you get anything at all. Take a cue from games like Borderlands and Diablo and spray me in the face with multiple high level loot sometimes. Not all the time but sometimes at least.
[b]Smart loot[/b] – Loot should only be dropping at or above my current light.
I’m sure there is much more that we could add to the list and I encourage people to add to this post. But this should serve as a starting point. I’m a Day 1 player of Destiny and have logged many hours into this game. On reset days (Tuesdays) I used to race home, made sure nothing was on my schedule and would run through 3 nightfalls and 3 weekly heroic strikes on my 3 characters and then do some raids. All in one night and it was a blast. I stayed up way too late on work nights but I felt like a teenager again and it was awesome. I would play almost every day for a minimum of 3+ hours a day and could not get enough. Now, I barely log in and am unhappy when I do a lot of the times. There is nothing that presses me to get on at a certain time or spend hours in this game. You see what I am getting at here I assume?
That’s it for now I guess. Good luck to you and I look forward to seeing what’s to come. If this somehow made it to your desk and is more than just an exercise in futility for me, I want to thank you for taking the time to read it.
[b]EDIT:[/b] I'm not active on Reddit (surprisingly) but Bungie seems to LOVE Reddit and other sites. I would encourage someone to re post this message and the post link on those sites as well. As much attention as we can draw to this list, the better. More discussion will hopefully move the needle with the goal being Mr. Parsons actually seeing this.
Thanks for the bumps so far! We've got it trending for now.
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I sincerely doubt any of this will happen. By HoW Destiny was a must have game that just needed more stories, gear and a new raid. The rest was almost perfect (at least it was once the auto rifle re-buff was implemented). Many casuals fans came and enjoyed it. The hardcores of us did the raids just for fun and for sheparding. The community grew a lot. Can't believe Bungie could shoot themselves on the foot like this!
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Edited by H_TOWN_BALLA_80: 2/3/2016 9:12:50 PMIf you were one of the people to get one of the emails from Bungie asking your opinion on Destiny and you agree with this OP at all (even partially) I would encourage you to include this in your response. There is a place where you can apparently enter your own text. Add some points from here or add the link to this post. Anything helps. If you only agree with 1 statement in the OP, post it if you want. I know it's false hope, but I really feel like if there is any time to get some traction, it's now.
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1 ReplyThe next dlc: two men walk up on screen in black suits. They proceed to put on a pair of shades and tell us a comforting story, then deneuralize us, so we can all forget about this awful experience. They'd be the real guardians.
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2 RepliesKeep trending!
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Necro-bump Also, I keep trying to edit something into the text but it literally will not let me and keeps giving me some error about selecting a title or something even though I have done nothing but change text *sigh*. Anyway, my edit is that on the economies thing, I agree marks are better after giving it more thought as opposed to separated currency for Vanguard/Crucible and people have made good points on that. So, we should keep that, but IMO still go back to the old faction rep gains and all that stuff. To clarify for a few who may have been confused. I am not advocating going back to having to drive around in circles on patrol areas for mats like we did in Y1. The vendor in the tower is fine with them.
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Well written, to the point, and I agree with everything. I've been saying bits and pieces of everything you posted over the years and have yet to see anyone at Bungie acknowledge any of it. They really need to.
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Completely agree. Great post.
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I agree with everything but the economy. Less currencies the better IMO. One of those things that could really benefit from a "keep it simple stupid" mentality.
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you make very valid points. I can say is free with most if not all of them. PvE I can say is the most important thing bungie needs to focus on. If there is no new content between now and destiny 2 i don't think I will stick around and I came into destiny at release. But it's getting bland and repetitive. Over and over not even the ib will hold my attention because of the drops are just not up to par. Y1 stuff should defiantly be relevant as well. And last but not least the fact we all MUST buy the dlc in order to keep up is insanity to me. Every other game dlc is an option. Not in destiny. I put a lot of money into this game, more than most Iv played and I should be getting my money's worth. If I want to play VOG or any of the other raids besides kings fall, then I should be able to no problem. The drops should be y1 but still high light levels. That's all.
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bump all the way.
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1 ReplyEdited by Senor Crouch: 1/31/2016 3:15:14 PMI tip my hat to you good Sir. I agree with 99% of what you have posted here. It also bugs me that Bungie seems to spend more time and effort on Reddit than their own forums or their own website for that matter. Notice how the Bungie.net event timeline is still displaying events from Dec. 8th, 2015.
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Just read this tonight but I agree with you wholeheartedly.
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3 RepliesEdited by micktheknife: 1/29/2016 5:53:18 PMGood points, but there are a few I disagree with. Etheric Light - Way too easy to get nowadays. They would need to make it a hard raid/lighthouse drop ONCE PER WEEK PER ACCOUNT if it were to do what it did in year one and for year one guns. I personally think old guns should stay behind, gimme da new loot. Nerfs - I won't say stop doing them, but be MUCH more selective on when they happen and why. Smart Loot - only for new gear, LL is whatever after 315 so why does it matter? It's not that tough to bring something up from 280. Matchmaking - I think group finder is more a word I'm looking for, I don't wanna be forced to play with squeakers. I personally like the way we do things now. Xur - Is just fine, maybe have him sell weapons more often Nightfall and Heroic Strikes - Bring back the NF, leave the heroics (OR LET US SET STRIKE DIFFICULTY AND TURN ON SKULLS DAMMIT) Luke Smith - Ya'll just need to get over it, he wasn't wrong.
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4 RepliesEdited by Synge_X: 1/31/2016 3:59:03 AMIndustry Vet? Rejects nerfs or balances in a game where the Thorn saw 75% effective usage across all modes. Do you know that Battlefield 4 was patched two months ago with major balancing to weapons, hell counter strike was balanced recently)? The real joke about destiny is that is unsupported and they're actually children who are constantly complaining about any attempt to make the game actually balanced with varying play styles being relevant. I could be most certainly wrong, I'm gonna have to call bullshit on your industry vet status.
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2 RepliesEdited by SunlightHeart: 2/1/2016 7:11:31 AMSorry, but regardless of how well thought out or well written your post is, you just turned me away from your side by trying to toss people who want to move away from year one legendaries opinions under the bus and play them off as "wrong" and "jealous". If that's what you think, you really are pretty close minded and only hear what you want to hear, filling in the blanks with whatever you think will make you right. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink. Looking at your post, I can't say its all good.