Iron Banner is the oldest -relevant- portion of the game to date. It's provided boosts in population during times when population slumps. It's given many players without endgame paths a way to progress. It's driven controversy. It has not shriveled up and died. (R.I.P queens wrath, x2)
[b]What Iron Banner does right:[/b]
PvP rewards, in a game mode that doesn't even provide you enough dismantle fodder Iron Banner is that one beacon of hope for casuals, solos, and the not Trials Elite to find rewards.
Pushes players into game types they may not agree with, and even kick and scream through. Next rift IB won't be so bitchy, even from me. Tho I do dislike the game type.
Improved rep gain for alternate characters near the end of the week. I've not personally experienced how this works but at least they're acknowledging you have more than one character.
Breathes life into the game when everything feels lifeless. YouTube videos have increased, forum conversations have direction, and less speculation. It's an attention grabber.
[b]What Iron Banner does wrong:[/b]
Improper use of rep carrot. This is going to be my main focus, rep gain.
Medallions incentivize players to drop matches after the 5 th consecutive loss. You've provided a guide line for "this isn't worth it". Medallions just need to go all together.
No rep on loss, even with medallions, is a huge sensation of wasted time. This is a grind event with a ticking clock. Every no rep loss becomes more justification for dropping matches.
Replacing empty spots on already lost games. Being injected into a losing game where there is no mathematical chance of winning. I don't think I need to explain why that's discouraging.
[b]My ideas, hopes, suggestions.[/b]
Remove medallions, give rep for losses. Solo players realistically can't stand up to a fireteam. So encourage them to stick around, reward tenacity.
Give rep bonuses to the winning team players for every objective participation, give rep bonuses for the losing team players for ever objective denial. Everyone will start the match hoping to win and focus on the objective, mid match when one team starts gaining the advantage the losing team can focus more on slowing down the team because they're incentivized too, maybe even pull out the W.
Stop rewarding sub 300 legendaries. Why in Earth is 270-299 still in a 310+ players reward pool? That just doesn't make a lick of sense. At least have the reward in an acceptable infusion range. 300 should be the floor.
[b]Closing[/b]
I'd like to participate in more than just this IB. I've only stuck around this long because of my clan. I may end up leaving the clan tho because of the homophobic tirade that went on last night, but this is a different conversation.
I just want to see IB be rewarding, invigorating, and praised. I want to enjoy the time I spend with this game instead of forcing myself into social groups and game events that leave me question why I bother.
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92 RepliesThanks for the great, well organized feedback. I agree that the Medallion system could use some improvements. Personally, rather than seeing it go away completely I would like to see the maximum number you can have increased. If everyone got the same rep every game win or loose, it seems like it would take away the motivation of winning to increase rep gains. Keep in mind I'm not a designer so none of my opinions are "Bungies official stance." Please continue to share your thoughts and I''ll bring them up with the devs. [quote] Replacing empty spots on already lost games. Being injected into a losing game where there is no mathematical chance of winning. I don't think I need to explain why that's discouraging.[/quote] This is a problem. I will definitely get with the Crucible and Matchmaking teams to see what ways we can improve this. Obviously improving the first issue will help the second, but there is still more we could do.
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5 RepliesIron banner + MIDA= iron crutch. It's pathetic that this is the only weapon worth using anymore. If you go against mida head on with anything, you lose. It's sad what the "community" has done to this game with all of the pissing and moaning about OP weapons. They are all supposed to be op. They are Fckn weapons
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1 ReplyEdited by aarondropdead: 1/30/2016 7:00:25 AMMy thoughts.. Overall gameplay fix: FIX THE LAG FIX SBMM (Judging by the matches I've been in, they are always lopsided, fix whatever you use to calculate skill level) Overall reward fix: Random 310 at rank 3 ( everyone has enough 310 artifacts) Two random rewards above 310 at rank 5 (no wants 310 ghost anymore)
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I'd be fine with control coming back or a game mode moshpit. Rift was a terrible idea
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I have 2, 319 characters and one 318. I complete iron banner rank 5 on all 3, every time it comes out, in the hopes that the rewards will give me something I can use to level up my characters but every time its a huge let down. I dont understand why so much work yields so little rewards. So far I have gotten 6 gost shells and none have been over 316. When things like this happen it makes it not fun to play. Seriously dissapointed.
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Spot on they said 320 rewards will drop more often I've played ib rigorously every time it comes out and the highest light I've ever gotten to drop is 309 like what the hell is going through deejs mind how is a 318 player supposed to use this for anything
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Edited by Synge_X: 1/31/2016 4:59:41 AMThis post is spot on man. We've had our differences but I've got to back you up here.
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Tldr Bloop bloop
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2 RepliesI AGREE 100%!!! I'm getting sick of getting boots below 300 light!!! At this point the game should give you drops based on your light level!
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It doesn't even do pvp rewards right? Are you mad? My rank 3 packages have given me the exact same item every time! Twice might have been coincidence but every time? Meaning rank 3 ib is useless
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2 RepliesFCK Iron Banner! 3 310 Ghost as reward for rank 5? Waste of time with the garbage "sweet" drops
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1 ReplyHaven't had any connection issues until today. Please return matchmaking to yesterday's setup.
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1 ReplyI've really been enjoying IB Rift. I'm a lone wolf player and I've been in good matches and bad; honestly not much different than IB Control. I do think the bounties could be more tailored to this game mode. Finishing out the bounties is a bit easier than last time.
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6 RepliesEdited by TheArtist: 1/29/2016 6:50:12 PM1. Get rid of the medallions. Full rep for wins. Flat 80% rep for losses. Would fix the quitting problem. 2. Scale the loot to light level of the player in stead of pure RNG. If you're 310+ you should be getting normal raidl level loot drops . Similar to what people were getting with SRL. I think the community would support getting FEWER drops if they knew they were going to get BETTER drops. 3. Keep the choice of game modes, solo player-frielndly: Control, Zone Control, Clash, Mayhem. (I think an IB Mayhem Clash or Control would be a riot). 4. Fire the person who approved the notion of IB being Rift. 5. Add the Crucible legendaries and Exotics back to the loot table.
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Sorry Bungie. There is nothing to win I don't already got in Y1! Gheleons Demise with a new name and bad perks? At 280 llvl? WTF? Just changing names and ll does not cut it. No more IB for me. End of Line. End of File.
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No more rift. Doesn't line up with IB bounties well. Plus easier for lag cheating with the rules of the match.
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I agree with everything you've said with one caveat; points for stopping the Spark Runner. Thing is, is that there ARE points for it. But it goes to one person. The problem here is that it's a meager amount of points for what is actually an incredible feat, at least compared to the dunking the Spark (points wise). I think you should get as many points for stopping them as you get for dunking it. But, with a twist. So hear me out. As we all know, as the Runner you get points for distance and the dunk. I think points should be rewarded to the killer on that same scale; the sooner you stop him (distance wise), the more points you get and vice versa. I think that would encourage people to stick around a little longer in a match. The game mode doesn't reward defense very well. Knowing that if you can stop them once or twice, possibly turning the game around, would go a long way in making it more enjoyable. TL;DR: stopping the Spark Runner (defense) should be just as important as dunking the Spark (offense).
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No rift again. Ever!
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Leave it alone control is cool. For whom ever wanted rift go phuc yourself
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I like how iron banner rotates btwn Crucible match types. The new matchmaking works but not without flaw. Players enter with good connection then immediately start messing with their connection. The loot isn't really fair neither is the reward. RNG should not dictate things. I hit 319 on all my characters like 8 weeks ago. Still the same. I'd play destiny regardless or not if I hit 320. But I like to do it for fun not because of the grind. Other than these things, IB is going in a good direction. Make friends and play as a fire team. Or use the voice chat and communicate with randoms. Loving it so far
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4 RepliesFix match making!! I've been put into games twice this evening and had a mercy rule before I could even find the fight! There should be a score gap cut off where players aren't put into failing matches
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From a solo, big bump dude
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Since new matchmaking changes today the lag has increased dramatically to the point that most players on opposite teams are now red bars and bullet sponges please revert back to earlier changes
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Still a little lag after the 3rd fix, but all the sweat is back. Not very fun for a solo player
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They just can't give rep for losses without a ton of people turning to AFK bots. Five (+1 afk) on six has to result in no reward. And anyone that tells you there won't be a high quality AFK bot out there in a week also has a beautiful bridge they want to sell you for cheap.
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2 RepliesHit Level 5 IB this morning with Warlock & Hunter. Only 310 ghost awards?!? No weapon/armor drops? This is garbage, there were large payouts last time for hitting level 5 IB. What's the point, I've got (15) F*****n 310 Ghosts buddy, lay off. Nightfall is trash these days, no new updates to POE, year 2 exotics are garbage. You trying to turn people away? A continual solid reward systems will keep people coming back, but I've played Destiny religiously since day 1, and you've finally shaken my foundation and trust in your enterprise. 310 shell, real stellar, appreciate the let down. Xur is a b***h...