First, I intend to show that Ackerson and a few ONI officers new of Halo before the Pillar of Autumn did a “blind” jump to it. ONI charted the planet Threshold ( the gas giant Halo orbits ) long before the events of Halo (1). In an interview between HBO and Eric Nylund (the author of Halo: TFOR and FS), this question is asked to the author, [color=white]“Why, if Halo is in uncharted space, are the moon and planet know as Basis and Threshold?”[/color] Nylund responded with, [color=white]“I’ll throw out a clue here: “uncharted” from who’s perspective? “Surveyed” by whom?”[/color] I believe this is a hint pointing towards ONI because they are the ones who charter space ( Office of Navy Intel ). If Threshold was charted, then ONI discovered Halo before the Pillar of Autumn did the so called “blind” jump to it.
In The Fall of Reach, on p. 336 to be exact, Cortana finds an 86.2 percent match between the Covenant transmission that Keys intercepted from Sigma Octanus IV ( which is also the same as the 512 alphanumerical string in Ackerson’s S-III file that I discuss in the next paragraph), and star charts of uncontrolled chartered UNSC space. Cortana, as curious as she is, follows the Cole Protocol and charts a route from Reach to this area of uncontrolled UNSC space to investigate it’s importance to Ackerson and the Covenant.Note: this area that Cortana “blindly” jumps to is chartered space ( she has charts of it in her data banks ). When the Pillar of Autumn comes out of slip space, it arrives at Halo... which is the beginning of Halo(1) the game.
Also, at the top of page 130 ( FS ) Dr. Halsey is investigating Ackerson’s S-III file. She discovers a 512 alphanumeric string ( which is the also the same as the Covenant transmission intercepted by Keys from Sigma Octanus IV that I discussed before) that matches a star chart of uncontrolled UNSC space. [b][color=white]Again, note that the area the 512 alphanumerical string points to is UNSC chartered space because it matches a UNSC star chart...it’s just not UNSC CONTROLLED space.[/color][/b] Ackerson was involved with something in this area, which I’m am saying right now is Halo because that is where the Pillar of Autumn “blindly” jumped to. Oh, one other small bit of info to consider. To my recollection, it’s really never explained why ONI lieutenant Haverson is at Halo??? Taking these things into account, there seems to be some evidence pointing toward Ackerson’s, and possibly ONI's, involvement with Halo.
[b][color=red]HERE IS THE THEROY:[/color][/b]
I believe that Ackerson’s secret project involved using Halo, or more likely, the Flood as a weapon against the Covenant. There are several interesting points of intersection between info we already have that point me in this direction. For one, there is the ever so talkative 343 GS. He refers to the MC as the “Reclaimer”. There have been speculations that time travel may have something to do with that. Well, I have another possibility that I have yet heard discussed. On page 270 of TFOR, it is said that at some time in the past, Dr. Hasley gave permission for Ackerson to flash clone John 117 ( MC ) for a black ops mission. Now, why would a clone of the MC be needed for a black ops mission, when that is exactly his purpose and function... that is, to carry out black ops/secretive missions? If you accept that Ackerson was involved with Halo, then it’s quite likely that this, or any other secretive black ops mission of Ackerson, would involve Halo. Like I said before, if it was any other black ops/secret mission, the original MC or Spartans would have been used... that’s there porpose. Bringing all this back to 343 GS nick name for the MC, it is easy to see that the Master Chief is called the Reclaimer because 343 GS has already come in contact with a flash clone of him sent to Halo by Ackerson on a black ops mission.[b][color=yellow]UPDATED ON BOTTOM[/b][/color]
Perhaps the most chilling evidence of this flash clone of the MC is this statement form 343 GS, [color=white]“Technically this installation’s pulse has a maximum effective radius of 25 thousand light years. But, once the others follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life, or at least any life with sufficient biomass to sustain the flood.[/color] [color=white][b]But you already new that. I mean, how couldn’t you?[/b][/color] The last part of that quote is the most intriguing. If in fact Ackerson made a flash clone of the MC whose mission most likely involved Halo, then it’s not only possible, but probable that the cloned MC came in contact with 343 GS ( Again, this is why he’s called the Reclaimer ). This means that the activation of Halo, the Flood, and the possible use of Halo as a weapon has already been explained to the clone of MC.
[color=red][b]BUT WAIT, THERE IS MORE:)[/b][/color]
Why would 343 GS need to explain Halo’s defense systems against the Flood to the cloned MC. We know from this statement made by 343 GS during the Library level, [color=white]“I would conjecture that the other species currently on the installation are responsible for releasing the Flood. They seem most persistent in their attempts to access restricted areas”[/color] that the current outbreak of the Flood is because of the Covenant. But, this current outbreak is obviously a considerable amount of time after the clone of MC was at Halo. We can also tell from this statement made by 343 GS, [color=white]“Why naturally the Flood is simply too dangerous to release, and mass sterilization protocol may [b]AGAIN[/b] need to be enacted. Of course, samples were kept here [b]after the last catastrophic outbreak... for study.[/b] It seems... that decision may have been an error”[/color] that there was an outbreak of the flood in the past.
This outbreak in the past would have been hundreds of thousands of years before the MC’s clone visited Halo, because if the cloned MC did activate Halo, then all the other Halos would have followed suit and all organic life that could possibly sustain the Flood ( Humans and Covenant ) would be erased from the galaxy. So, we are still left wondering... why would 343 GS explain Halo’s defense procedures to the MC’s clone?
Here is what I think. If in fact there were samples of the Flood kept for study from the last outbreak, as 343 GS mentioned, then it may be likely that the MC’s clone ( Ackerson ) would have found these samples. These samples were not full grown Flood forms though. They couldn’t have been because the Flood would have died off because of Halo's defensive systems removing all potential host/food thousands of years before hand. These samples would more than likely have been in some sort of high tech “petri dish,” if you will. As controlling as Ackerson is, I think he would have found the Flood as a very useful weapon against the Covenant. He may have attempted to make Flood forms, and he probably would have succeeded. Now, he would [b]have[/b] to make the Flood forms inside Halo’s secure facilities. Why? Because 343 GS would have informed MC’s clone of the consequences of the Flood escaping from Halo secure facilities, not to mention that 343 would have made sure that the Flood samples would never leave Halo. So, the answer to the question of why was MC’s clone was told about the protocols of activating Halo’s defense system is, because Ackerson’s secret project involved remaking the Flood, and using them as a weapon against the Covenant. 343 GS made sure that Ackerson new the consequences of the Flood being released, and as a result of this, Ackerson had to conduct the Flood experiments inside Halo’s containment facilities.
More proof of these accusations that I’ve made against Ackerson trying to reconstitute the Flood on Halo would be the fact that there are so many Human forms of the Flood. There are many Covenant Flood forms because there are ample amounts of Covenant on Halo trying to activate it. We know from Cortana that “only a hand full” of survivors made it off the Pillar of Autumn. So, why are there hundreds of Human Flood forms? I believe the reason there is a such large amount of amount of Human Flood forms is because Ackerson used the Spartan’s DNA files (remember the S-III file found by Dr. Hasley), made clones of them, and used those clones in experiments with the Flood DNA. This may be why there are so many Human forms of the Flood. And this my friends, may be what Ackerson’s secret project is. Not Spartan III’s, but clones of the original Spartans made into Flood forms:)
[b][color=gold]UPDATE[/color][/b]
First off, thanks for all the replies. There is no possible way I will be able to reply to all of them, so I'm going to post this thought. After re-reading my theory, I would have to agree that the black ops mission that is mentioned in the book is indeed the one to replace John 117 as a child. [b]However[/b], I still believe it's quite possible that Ackerson used a clone of the MC, and possibly the other Spartan II's, for a mission to Halo. [url=http://bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=624575][b]HERE[/b][/url] is why. (Click)
-Eagle 117
[Edited on 12/2/2004 9:52:03 PM]
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VERY. VERY GOOD stuff!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ApacNTS i always wondered why whoever built halo, would use such a extreme measure to deal with something so minute in comparison to the galaxy. lets say back when it was orginially found it spread and was brought to another planet, it would work just like the movie aliens. destroy the one world if need be, contain all infections onto that world(s) and destroy it(drastic but necessary with no cure). instead they take how many thousands of years to build these rings around the galaxy, and risk destroying everything for one small section of infected host? i never did get that kinda logic. by the time they completed the rings they could have easily wiped out the flood and it's traces, even found it's origins, and destroy it(planet)....actually that makes me wonder if that is where they stuck the arc...it is where it all began, what better place? [/quote] If I remember correctly, the Forerunner created the flood and the means to stop them if they got out of hand. I might be wrong, but if not then I wonder why on earth would the Forerunner create the flood?
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i always wondered why whoever built halo, would use such a extreme measure to deal with something so minute in comparison to the galaxy. lets say back when it was orginially found it spread and was brought to another planet, it would work just like the movie aliens. destroy the one world if need be, contain all infections onto that world(s) and destroy it(drastic but necessary with no cure). instead they take how many thousands of years to build these rings around the galaxy, and risk destroying everything for one small section of infected host? i never did get that kinda logic. by the time they completed the rings they could have easily wiped out the flood and it's traces, even found it's origins, and destroy it(planet)....actually that makes me wonder if that is where they stuck the arc...it is where it all began, what better place?
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I back up chaplain, although your theory may in fact be right i think you know far too much about halo for a normal person.
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So...thinking back on the theory of time travel, how does it wipe the galaxy clean of sentient life? By taking them back to before they existed? It seems a little far fetched. Now of course, I don't totally understand your theory, nor have I read all of the books, but I would like to know just how time warping could destroy all life...except the flood. Because remember what Cortana said, "Halo doesn't destroy the flood, it destroys its food." How would Halo distinguish between flood and everything else? Now granted, I have not nearly as much knowledge about these things as most people but still...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Eagle 117 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] qazwsx [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Eagle 117 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] qazwsx Eagle, do you think that it is possible that in halo you play as the master chiefs clone instead of the master chief? That would explain why the controls to the light bridge and the map room seemed familiar to the master chief.[/quote] ;-)[/quote] Could you elaborate?[/quote] It may be part of my next theory. If not, then PM me and I'll tell you what I'm thinking:-) -Eagle 117[/quote] PM was about this.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Eagle 117 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Halomeister You had some good ideas. And most of them seem to be well proven very well (except for the reason that Guilty Spark calls the master cheif a "reclaimer". We learn in Halo 2 that _all_ humans are in fact reclaimers. I guess you can't win them all :) You have me utterly convinced that there were indeed cloned Spartans on Halo earlier though. Very awesome work! The question that's burning the back of my mind and is the only splinter I see in your solid theory is a comment by Guilty Spark in the control room, when he says, "Why would you hesitate to do what you've already done? Last time you asked me, if it were my choice would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer is unchanged, there is no choice, we must activate the ring." The first sentence is particularly troublesome, how has the cheif (or his clone) "already done" this deed of activating the ring?[/quote] How do the halos [color=white]"wipe the galaxy clean of all sentient life"[/color]? In other words, by what means do you think the rings rid this galaxy of life? The answer could pertain to your question:-) Thanks, -Eagle 117 P.S. Yea, Halo 2 pretty much proved my thoughts on the Reclaimer to be false. [/quote] Could the rings use space and time warping technology to wipe the galaxy clean of all sentient life? P.S. Eagle, did you see my PM[/quote] That's what I'm thinking... nice:-) -Eagle 117 P.S. I didn't recieve a PM from you recently. For some reason (I think my box is too full) I've been having trouble recieving other individuals PMs lately. What was the PM about? [Edited on 11/24/2004 1:04:11 PM]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Eagle 117 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Halomeister You had some good ideas. And most of them seem to be well proven very well (except for the reason that Guilty Spark calls the master cheif a "reclaimer". We learn in Halo 2 that _all_ humans are in fact reclaimers. I guess you can't win them all :) You have me utterly convinced that there were indeed cloned Spartans on Halo earlier though. Very awesome work! The question that's burning the back of my mind and is the only splinter I see in your solid theory is a comment by Guilty Spark in the control room, when he says, "Why would you hesitate to do what you've already done? Last time you asked me, if it were my choice would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer is unchanged, there is no choice, we must activate the ring." The first sentence is particularly troublesome, how has the cheif (or his clone) "already done" this deed of activating the ring?[/quote] How do the halos [color=white]"wipe the galaxy clean of all sentient life"[/color]? In other words, by what means do you think the rings rid this galaxy of life? The answer could pertain to your question:-) Thanks, -Eagle 117 P.S. Yea, Halo 2 pretty much proved my thoughts on the Reclaimer to be false. [/quote] Could the rings use space and time warping technology to wipe the galaxy clean of all sentient life? P.S. Eagle, did you see my PM
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Chaplain Your theory is a lot like the Titanic - puncture one "hull" and it will only allow the others to do their job. You're not completely wrong.... yet. :)[/quote] Wow, that statement reminds me of your old self:-) I like to think of this particular theory as more of a "who killed JFK," because no one really knows... haha! -Eagle 117 [Edited on 11/24/2004 12:57:01 PM]
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Your theory is a lot like the Titanic - puncture one "hull" and it will only allow the others to do their job. You're not completely wrong.... yet. :)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Halomeister You had some good ideas. And most of them seem to be well proven very well (except for the reason that Guilty Spark calls the master cheif a "reclaimer". We learn in Halo 2 that _all_ humans are in fact reclaimers. I guess you can't win them all :) You have me utterly convinced that there were indeed cloned Spartans on Halo earlier though. Very awesome work! The question that's burning the back of my mind and is the only splinter I see in your solid theory is a comment by Guilty Spark in the control room, when he says, "Why would you hesitate to do what you've already done? Last time you asked me, if it were my choice would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer is unchanged, there is no choice, we must activate the ring." The first sentence is particularly troublesome, how has the cheif (or his clone) "already done" this deed of activating the ring?[/quote] How do the halos [color=white]"wipe the galaxy clean of all sentient life"[/color]? In other words, by what means do you think the rings rid this galaxy of life? The answer could pertain to your question:-) Thanks, -Eagle 117 P.S. Yea, Halo 2 pretty much proved my thoughts on the Reclaimer to be false. [Edited on 11/24/2004 12:46:25 PM]
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You had some good ideas. And most of them seem to be well proven very well (except for the reason that Guilty Spark calls the master cheif a "reclaimer". We learn in Halo 2 that _all_ humans are in fact reclaimers. I guess you can't win them all :) You have me utterly convinced that there were indeed cloned Spartans on Halo earlier though. Very awesome work! The question that's burning the back of my mind and is the only splinter I see in your solid theory is a comment by Guilty Spark in the control room, when he says, "Why would you hesitate to do what you've already done? Last time you asked me, if it were my choice would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer is unchanged, there is no choice, we must activate the ring." The first sentence is particularly troublesome, how has the cheif (or his clone) "already done" this deed of activating the ring?
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Still the best theory out there
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] brutecorps first of all i have a better therory i just dont want to post it it is too long have no time maybe later. Also wow holy -blam!-s get a life. I am impressed withe the quotes though dam. It is all qrong though- well some of it.[/quote] One should note that this thread, as well as all other threads with my name, came about many months ago. Much of what I’ve written has come to pass, and none of it has been brought down by those who fumble through their blind bias. Furthermore, imposing your sour bite of whine shows the lacking of relevance, not to mention intellect. If you have nothing to add to this conversation, that which is relevant to this topic, then your post is spam. You do remember what happens to spammers at b.net... right! -Eagle 117 [Edited on 11/23/2004 10:33:58 PM]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hunt69 Ok i dont understand this whole thing. ive beaten halo 2 and there is no mention of any of the other Spartans still alive at the end of First Strike so whats the deal? The books had very little to do with the game and im disappointed.[/quote] There is a gap between the ending of First Strike and Halo2. Expect to see another book:-) -Eagle 117
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Eagle 117 I was showing that the "blind" jump to Halo 04 was actually a set of coordinates derived from the artifact found on Sigma Octanus IV... not just a random Cole Protocole jump. There's a lot in the books about Col. Ackerson:-)[/quote] Yeah I caught that on my second read on the books. I don't remember if it was you but someone (or you) stated that S-III COULD have meant Oni Section 3, in some terms that makes sense, in others, it doesn't. And now that Halo 2 has come out, is there anyhting in there that proves or adds to your theory?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] brutecorps first of all i have a better therory i just dont want to post it it is too long have no time maybe later. Also wow holy -blam!-s get a life. I am impressed withe the quotes though dam. It is all qrong though- well some of it.[/quote] Then hurry up and post your theory so we can tear it apart.
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first of all i have a better therory i just dont want to post it it is too long have no time maybe later. Also wow holy -blam!-s get a life. I am impressed withe the quotes though dam. It is all qrong though- well some of it.
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Ok i dont understand this whole thing. ive beaten halo 2 and there is no mention of any of the other Spartans still alive at the end of First Strike so whats the deal? The books had very little to do with the game and im disappointed.
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The SPARTAN I program was ........ retired. It was an experiment. Spartan II is the finished project.
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ok now has it ever occured to any of u that they make the story with just enough hints that r soo vauge that when a 1000+ response forum is posted that can easily sell 1000+ copies of halo:ce halo2 and the books but of course im happy to reply cause when bungie starts massing the army of the pale and thumb blistered i wanna know that they wont be knocking on my door with their l33t shooting skillz derived from shooting games since the 80's
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now im not a big halo geek like u guys r and ive never read the books but wat happend to the spartin 1 project ? ive seen numerous forums mentioning the connection between the forrunners and humans. anyway if those were spartin flood dude then why were they soo easy to kill id think a spartin would put up a helluva fight . and couldnt 343 have just been talking about humanity in general .
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Jimmyboy, if you had been a member here longer than 2 weeks, you would learn to respect eagle and think before you post. Rock on eagle, I love reading your posts. There are so many nonsense posts these days, it is refreshing to read yours. Keep 'em coming!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jimmyboy13 ok, this is kinda funny listenin to u guys go abck and forth arguing about a video game. Bungie made this gaem for money and fun and becuase the first one kicked so much ass. anyways and this theroy is just a bunch of stuff put together by him playing it too much, anyways and if bungie did want to make a plot like that, it would take them like more time then it did.[/quote] Bravo... I think you won us over with your unprovoked speech. You know, a fully functioning environment existed here at b.net before the recent influx of the imbecilic blind. I suggest you save yourself the humiliation and learn of it, as well as the company you gave $50 bucks to. -Eagle 117 [Edited on 11/23/2004 6:00:41 PM]
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Cool theory (i just jumped onto it), here's something you could consider (even though its just my imagination running wild), what if somewhere down the line, the flood runs wild and all the halos are needed for cleansing. all the while this human, covenant war is going on and master chief is still alive and kicking. Instead of activation all the halos like the forerunners did, what if they sent MC back in time to instalation 04 to stop Ackerson? It would explain 343 GS familiarity with him, as well as expose the corruption. Only problem is you get into all that space time continum crap with mutliple universes existing at the same time.
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ok, this is kinda funny listenin to u guys go abck and forth arguing about a video game. Bungie made this gaem for money and fun and becuase the first one kicked so much ass. anyways and this theroy is just a bunch of stuff put together by him playing it too much, anyways and if bungie did want to make a plot like that, it would take them like more time then it did.