First, I intend to show that Ackerson and a few ONI officers new of Halo before the Pillar of Autumn did a “blind” jump to it. ONI charted the planet Threshold ( the gas giant Halo orbits ) long before the events of Halo (1). In an interview between HBO and Eric Nylund (the author of Halo: TFOR and FS), this question is asked to the author, [color=white]“Why, if Halo is in uncharted space, are the moon and planet know as Basis and Threshold?”[/color] Nylund responded with, [color=white]“I’ll throw out a clue here: “uncharted” from who’s perspective? “Surveyed” by whom?”[/color] I believe this is a hint pointing towards ONI because they are the ones who charter space ( Office of Navy Intel ). If Threshold was charted, then ONI discovered Halo before the Pillar of Autumn did the so called “blind” jump to it.
In The Fall of Reach, on p. 336 to be exact, Cortana finds an 86.2 percent match between the Covenant transmission that Keys intercepted from Sigma Octanus IV ( which is also the same as the 512 alphanumerical string in Ackerson’s S-III file that I discuss in the next paragraph), and star charts of uncontrolled chartered UNSC space. Cortana, as curious as she is, follows the Cole Protocol and charts a route from Reach to this area of uncontrolled UNSC space to investigate it’s importance to Ackerson and the Covenant.Note: this area that Cortana “blindly” jumps to is chartered space ( she has charts of it in her data banks ). When the Pillar of Autumn comes out of slip space, it arrives at Halo... which is the beginning of Halo(1) the game.
Also, at the top of page 130 ( FS ) Dr. Halsey is investigating Ackerson’s S-III file. She discovers a 512 alphanumeric string ( which is the also the same as the Covenant transmission intercepted by Keys from Sigma Octanus IV that I discussed before) that matches a star chart of uncontrolled UNSC space. [b][color=white]Again, note that the area the 512 alphanumerical string points to is UNSC chartered space because it matches a UNSC star chart...it’s just not UNSC CONTROLLED space.[/color][/b] Ackerson was involved with something in this area, which I’m am saying right now is Halo because that is where the Pillar of Autumn “blindly” jumped to. Oh, one other small bit of info to consider. To my recollection, it’s really never explained why ONI lieutenant Haverson is at Halo??? Taking these things into account, there seems to be some evidence pointing toward Ackerson’s, and possibly ONI's, involvement with Halo.
[b][color=red]HERE IS THE THEROY:[/color][/b]
I believe that Ackerson’s secret project involved using Halo, or more likely, the Flood as a weapon against the Covenant. There are several interesting points of intersection between info we already have that point me in this direction. For one, there is the ever so talkative 343 GS. He refers to the MC as the “Reclaimer”. There have been speculations that time travel may have something to do with that. Well, I have another possibility that I have yet heard discussed. On page 270 of TFOR, it is said that at some time in the past, Dr. Hasley gave permission for Ackerson to flash clone John 117 ( MC ) for a black ops mission. Now, why would a clone of the MC be needed for a black ops mission, when that is exactly his purpose and function... that is, to carry out black ops/secretive missions? If you accept that Ackerson was involved with Halo, then it’s quite likely that this, or any other secretive black ops mission of Ackerson, would involve Halo. Like I said before, if it was any other black ops/secret mission, the original MC or Spartans would have been used... that’s there porpose. Bringing all this back to 343 GS nick name for the MC, it is easy to see that the Master Chief is called the Reclaimer because 343 GS has already come in contact with a flash clone of him sent to Halo by Ackerson on a black ops mission.[b][color=yellow]UPDATED ON BOTTOM[/b][/color]
Perhaps the most chilling evidence of this flash clone of the MC is this statement form 343 GS, [color=white]“Technically this installation’s pulse has a maximum effective radius of 25 thousand light years. But, once the others follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life, or at least any life with sufficient biomass to sustain the flood.[/color] [color=white][b]But you already new that. I mean, how couldn’t you?[/b][/color] The last part of that quote is the most intriguing. If in fact Ackerson made a flash clone of the MC whose mission most likely involved Halo, then it’s not only possible, but probable that the cloned MC came in contact with 343 GS ( Again, this is why he’s called the Reclaimer ). This means that the activation of Halo, the Flood, and the possible use of Halo as a weapon has already been explained to the clone of MC.
[color=red][b]BUT WAIT, THERE IS MORE:)[/b][/color]
Why would 343 GS need to explain Halo’s defense systems against the Flood to the cloned MC. We know from this statement made by 343 GS during the Library level, [color=white]“I would conjecture that the other species currently on the installation are responsible for releasing the Flood. They seem most persistent in their attempts to access restricted areas”[/color] that the current outbreak of the Flood is because of the Covenant. But, this current outbreak is obviously a considerable amount of time after the clone of MC was at Halo. We can also tell from this statement made by 343 GS, [color=white]“Why naturally the Flood is simply too dangerous to release, and mass sterilization protocol may [b]AGAIN[/b] need to be enacted. Of course, samples were kept here [b]after the last catastrophic outbreak... for study.[/b] It seems... that decision may have been an error”[/color] that there was an outbreak of the flood in the past.
This outbreak in the past would have been hundreds of thousands of years before the MC’s clone visited Halo, because if the cloned MC did activate Halo, then all the other Halos would have followed suit and all organic life that could possibly sustain the Flood ( Humans and Covenant ) would be erased from the galaxy. So, we are still left wondering... why would 343 GS explain Halo’s defense procedures to the MC’s clone?
Here is what I think. If in fact there were samples of the Flood kept for study from the last outbreak, as 343 GS mentioned, then it may be likely that the MC’s clone ( Ackerson ) would have found these samples. These samples were not full grown Flood forms though. They couldn’t have been because the Flood would have died off because of Halo's defensive systems removing all potential host/food thousands of years before hand. These samples would more than likely have been in some sort of high tech “petri dish,” if you will. As controlling as Ackerson is, I think he would have found the Flood as a very useful weapon against the Covenant. He may have attempted to make Flood forms, and he probably would have succeeded. Now, he would [b]have[/b] to make the Flood forms inside Halo’s secure facilities. Why? Because 343 GS would have informed MC’s clone of the consequences of the Flood escaping from Halo secure facilities, not to mention that 343 would have made sure that the Flood samples would never leave Halo. So, the answer to the question of why was MC’s clone was told about the protocols of activating Halo’s defense system is, because Ackerson’s secret project involved remaking the Flood, and using them as a weapon against the Covenant. 343 GS made sure that Ackerson new the consequences of the Flood being released, and as a result of this, Ackerson had to conduct the Flood experiments inside Halo’s containment facilities.
More proof of these accusations that I’ve made against Ackerson trying to reconstitute the Flood on Halo would be the fact that there are so many Human forms of the Flood. There are many Covenant Flood forms because there are ample amounts of Covenant on Halo trying to activate it. We know from Cortana that “only a hand full” of survivors made it off the Pillar of Autumn. So, why are there hundreds of Human Flood forms? I believe the reason there is a such large amount of amount of Human Flood forms is because Ackerson used the Spartan’s DNA files (remember the S-III file found by Dr. Hasley), made clones of them, and used those clones in experiments with the Flood DNA. This may be why there are so many Human forms of the Flood. And this my friends, may be what Ackerson’s secret project is. Not Spartan III’s, but clones of the original Spartans made into Flood forms:)
[b][color=gold]UPDATE[/color][/b]
First off, thanks for all the replies. There is no possible way I will be able to reply to all of them, so I'm going to post this thought. After re-reading my theory, I would have to agree that the black ops mission that is mentioned in the book is indeed the one to replace John 117 as a child. [b]However[/b], I still believe it's quite possible that Ackerson used a clone of the MC, and possibly the other Spartan II's, for a mission to Halo. [url=http://bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=624575][b]HERE[/b][/url] is why. (Click)
-Eagle 117
[Edited on 12/2/2004 9:52:03 PM]
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[quote] On page 270 of TFOR, it is said that at some time in the past, Dr. Hasley gave permission for Ackerson to flash clone John 117 ( MC ) for a black ops mission. Now, why would a clone of the MC be needed for a black ops mission, when that is exactly his purpose and function...[/quote] Actually, that clone you mention was simply used to replace him so his family didn't know he was abducted. That mission was a black op because it was detrimental to the success of the project. If anyone found out that they had kidnapped this child to use him in a military experiment with indeterminate chance of survival, the project would have been doomed and there'd be an enormous public outcry.
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OR MAYBE hes just a loser, who needs a serious life, instead of thinking up theories that might be correct, but OH WAIT!!!!! ITS A GAME!!! holy crap you need to stop this man. I like the story of halo, but please just wait for halo 3, all will beclear. until then, write down your theories and publish them after halo 3 comes out. PLEASE do that.
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Well about the flash clone used in a black op idea, I have something to say... This part is of Cortana going through the MC's CSV backwards from current times to the age of six. Direct quote from FoR: "She continued, absorbing the data from the Master Chief's files. She learned of the augmentations he and the other Spartans were made to endure; the brutal indoctrination and training they had received; [b]and how he had been abducted at the age of six, and a flash clone used to replace him in an ONI black op.[/b] This can be interperated in 2 ways. One, they way you have about the 2nd MC on Halo or you can look at the entire sentence and break it down into parts using the semicolons. Each part separated by a semicolon is unrelated to each other however the bolded part is related because there is a comma. This means the MC was abducted by ONI agents and replaced with a flash clone so his parents wouldn't know that he was kidnapped and conscripted into the S-II program. Also, I couldn't find where but it says that flash clones aren't reliable and the flash cloning process of an entire human hadn't been perfected yet so they would die within probably a few years at most. ...hope this helps
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good theory
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[quote]he would not hav time to prepare clones. remember clones come from babies, and the time to get that clone to halo before the actual would take sometime. even to get a ship with slip space capabilities. ok and about the clone and DNA. You all know the Spartans also damage their organs and need replacements. On the field u cnt find donors like hospitals so they flash clone. An how do they flash clone with the subjects own DNA. So if Ackerson stole the DNA that means no organs, and that means death of a Spartan. DNA is what keeps the Spartans alive. If a organ fails. That organ is flash cloned and replaced. Loss of blood??? cloned and replaced and How do they replace it?? flash cloning it. and they do that with DNA. So if Ackerson took DNA that means Death to whoevers DNA he takes. [/quote] So taking a little container of blood would kill a spartan? How?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zeta333 eagle get a bloddy life. no oen cares you are just showing that u are a lifeless nerd.[/quote] Hey dont insult someones work. Hey after all Halo is a good subject to talk about. Eagle worked hard to shed some light on to the mysteries of Halo. And the stuff he work on is very useful
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zeta333 eagle get a bloddy life. no oen cares you are just showing that u are a lifeless nerd.[/quote] de pot verwijt de ketel dat ie zwart ziet
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eagle get a bloddy life. no oen cares you are just showing that u are a lifeless nerd.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nahjtona 343 guilty spark calls all humans reclaimer, including miranda keys, so according to your theory miranda keyes is the master chief? your theory is incorrect[/quote] This was written back in July, before Halo 2 came out. The author of the thread has said that Halo 2 has proven some of his reclaimer arguments wrong.
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343 guilty spark calls all humans reclaimer, including miranda keys, so according to your theory miranda keyes is the master chief? your theory is incorrect
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but wat about the MJOLNIR???
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sniping kitten he would not hav time to prepare clones. remember clones come from babies, and the time to get that clone to halo before the actual would take sometime. even to get a ship with slip space capabilities. [/quote] They use "Flash Cloning" which allows you to grow a clone very quickly. It wouldn't have taken him too long to get a ship and travel to Halo. You don't need to take an organ to get teh DNA. You can get it from a single cell. Any cell. [Edited on 3/30/2005 7:43:59 PM]
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he would not hav time to prepare clones. remember clones come from babies, and the time to get that clone to halo before the actual would take sometime. even to get a ship with slip space capabilities. ok and about the clone and DNA. You all know the Spartans also damage their organs and need replacements. On the field u cnt find donors like hospitals so they flash clone. An how do they flash clone with the subjects own DNA. So if Ackerson stole the DNA that means no organs, and that means death of a Spartan. DNA is what keeps the Spartans alive. If a organ fails. That organ is flash cloned and replaced. Loss of blood??? cloned and replaced and How do they replace it?? flash cloning it. and they do that with DNA. So if Ackerson took DNA that means Death to whoevers DNA he takes. [Edited on 3/30/2005 7:41:20 PM]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sniping kitten that is a good inquiry. But from Halo and Halo 2 and the books not enough evidence was given. like only 3 sentences could lead to a question like dat.[/quote] There was plenty of evidence given. [quote] No to slow down, hinder, ruin the Spartan project. Ackerson hated the Spartans, John, Dr.Halsey. The whole spartan project killed his own proposal and project (myb the project had to do with the flood?) [/quote] It didn't kill his own project. It was clearly stated in First Strike that he had a back up plan on par with the Spartan projet. I do however, completely agree when you said it had to do with the flood. [quote] Anyways Ackerson would not even have enough time to prepare the clones. John didnt even have MJOLNIR when he was 13. And the sucess began like 2 years after and blossomed like crazy. So even when Ackerson stole the Spartans DNA he would not hav the time to steal MJOLNIR and create a clone [/quote] He wouldn't have time? I don't understand [Edited on 3/30/2005 7:31:21 PM]
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that is a good inquiry. But from Halo and Halo 2 and the books not enough evidence was given. like only 3 sentences could lead to a question like dat.
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I just wonder then what his SPARTAN III project is and why those files were located in the folder with his project data.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ender The question still stands: what would he do with that material/information? Just keep it as a souvenir?[/quote] No to slow down, hinder, ruin the Spartan project. Ackerson hated the Spartans, John, Dr.Halsey. The whole spartan project killed his own proposal and project (myb the project had to do with the flood?) Anyways Ackerson would not even have enough time to prepare the clones. John didnt even have MJOLNIR when he was 13. And the sucess began like 2 years after and blossomed like crazy. So even when Ackerson stole the Spartans DNA he would not hav the time to steal MJOLNIR and create a clone [Edited on 3/30/2005 7:15:53 PM]
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The question still stands: what would he do with that material/information? Just keep it as a souvenir?
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he wasnt collecting he was stealing. Remeber when Dr.Halsey was preping flash cloned parts for Kelly on Reach in the book FS. Some files were missing. and she retraced them to ackersons files. Anywayz those files were stolen for literally all the obvious reasons. The Spartan project owned Ackersons proposed one. Durring the field test of the completed MJOLNIR the MC passed everything (myb except the Hawk fighter jet). and the survival of the Spartan project! [Edited on 3/30/2005 7:06:33 PM]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sniping kitten the cheif wasnt cloned again. a many posts back some people stated the cheif was recloned for a Black Op. Actually the Replacement clone was used for that Op. Probably just to eliminate the trace of the Spartan program to anyone who might have tried to figure out wat was happening[/quote] So Ackerson was just collecting all the Spartans DNA, all there medical records, and the info on how they were cloned just for some reading?
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Sorry, I made that post before I read the update. I would also like to add that Dr. Halsey could've taken the injured Spartan (can't remember the name) she kidnapped to some place, and used the Spartan to somehow travel through time and arrive at Halo. That would be another (if worse) way to explain why 343 already met a Reclaimer. Or 343 could've mistaken MC for a Reclaimer(whatever that is).
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the cheif wasnt cloned again. a many posts back some people stated the cheif was recloned for a Black Op. Actually the Replacement clone was used for that Op. Probably just to eliminate the trace of the Spartan program to anyone who might have tried to figure out wat was happening [Edited on 3/30/2005 6:51:09 PM]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marit Lage Your theory about the MC being cloned is wrong. They only cloned him once, when he was 1st inducted into the Spartan 2 program in order to get a replacement for his family. There was never any mention of John being cloned again when he was a Spartan.[/quote] Just becuase they haven't directly stated it yet doesn't mean it didn't happen. Ackerson had all the information he needs to clone the Spartans, and he seemed VERY interested in Cloning. There is also other evidence, but I don't have the time to list it now. [Edited on 3/30/2005 6:45:59 PM]
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Your theory about the MC being cloned is wrong. They only cloned him once, when he was 1st inducted into the Spartan 2 program in order to get a replacement for his family. There was never any mention of John being cloned again when he was a Spartan.
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heyy but halo is the best sci-fi FPS to come out from microsoft and bungie
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hey eagle, i love ur speculaiton and theories on alo, but u need to know this game will not last forever, and need to make ur material work for all mvies/games/ or books that interest, become an author, or plot designing, because u have very good abilities in attentiveness and understanding, just learn have flexibility in more that one topic, which is halo