The Spartan would walk away from the ODST whilst getting shot in the back with an SMG. Do a back flip, bicycle kick the ODST into the air and then head shot it with its trusty spartan laser.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rorchach Wow, you are getting way to into this. all i will say is that everybody knows that spartens are better. it is fact, not opinion. also, anything that is said against this is wrong. THATS IT! am i right?[/quote] It is not fact. It is a personal opinion of the player. To me ODSTs are the superior soldier as they are non augmented and do just as difficult of missions as a Spartan with lesser technology. Please wake up from the stupor that the Spartan "Legends" have placed you in. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GOLDEN STRINGS yea what this guy said. sure odst's cuss alot but thats it. spartans are more advanced genetically and thats why they were chosen individually. not even all that were chosen were strong enough to live through the surgerys and enhancements. a spartan was obviously a stronger human at start than an odst. spartans are just way better in every way. people just relate better to odst's cause they are more normal than spartans.[/quote] 1: They are not geneticly enhanced or geneticly altered in any way shape or form. If they were their DNA would have been physicly rewriten. As this does not happen it is not a genetic alteration. 2: There were perhaps millions of people in the UNSC who have that spesific genetic marker. However due to budget issues as well as the labor intensive process of ID'ing every age approprate candidate in UNSC controlled space they were limited in their choices. The 75 initial recruites were all found within a very short proximity of Reach. Thus a cheeper operation. And even then they didnt get to survey everybody in that area as it would have taken too long and the project would have been thrown away. Is this really that hard to figure out?

what does the scanner say about the idea?[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZundayXx Its Over 9000!! people came with this idea earlier... ;)[/quote]

Vaulting Frog, we all appreciate the fact that you've bought each book 3 times, however your knowledge is wrong, and your know it all persona and extremely lengthy arguments are not becoming any use to you. Many in this thread had cited true facts from the books that you choose to disregard or argue against. I'm sure many people here would agree that you are WRONG. You are entitled to your own opinion, but how can an ODST be a better soldier than a Spartan? One more thing, often when you reference ODSTs, you mention them in squads or groups, not as lone soldiers. [Edited on 10.10.2009 12:31 AM PDT]

They are part of the same force...Fail

spartains kick ass. odst would get owned by them.

that would be AWSOME!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xx GazzRion 33 Vaulting Frog, we all appreciate the fact that you've bought each book 3 times, however your knowledge is wrong, and your know it all persona and extremely lengthy arguments are not becoming any use to you. Many in this thread had cited true facts from the books that you choose to disregard or argue against.[/quote] What facts? The only fact that was presented was that a single Spartan-II recruit beat up 4 ODSTs during the training phase. Thats it. And even then there are reasons for why that happend. People have constantly said that they were geneticly manipulated yet provide no proof of such actions. For the most part I agree that a Spartan is a superior soldier, but only inside their armor. With out that armor they would be no better off than ODSTs in a combat situation. Just as vunerable. They are faster on foot, that is true however that is not a sustainable speed. It is a burst speed. Even says it in the book Fall of Reach, page 73, paragraph 11 (from memory). And people have also said that the war would have been lost long before the events of the Halo games if it werent for the Spartans. There are only two instances where this is correct, one is Grey Team (though they didnt do a whole lot of damage during the war period) and the other is the Spartan-III program. However that doesnt reflect at all on this comparison as it is obviously between Spartan-IIs and ODSTs. For the most part during the war it was the UNSC Navy and the Marines who held the line on every planet. They are the real reason as to why the war lasted so long. They fought long and hard and through their actions Humanity was surviving. Just read through the Spartan-II missions. Their priority was setting nukes in Covenant positions where a normal attack was deemed unfit. They were also given escort missions for civilians. For the most part they didnt do a whole lot to win the war. Only Spartan-117 got anywhere in that reguard, but that was more of luck than anything else. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xx GazzRion 33 I'm sure many people here would agree that you are WRONG. You are entitled to your own opinion, but how can an ODST be a better soldier than a Spartan?[/quote] I am sure many people here would feel that you are wrong. It is a matter of personal preference. I do reconize the Spartan-II programs achievements however they are small when compared to the Marines, Navy or ODSTs. They just didnt play that large of a roll in the war. Mostly due to the amount of them around. If they were in large numbers then sure they would have done something significant (discounting the Halo CE-3 events) to win the war. But they werent. That is why I feel ODSTs are superior. They do have the numbers, are just as skilled in combat as a Spartan and have the will to succeed. And they do it with out augmentations or any "fancy armor". Given the choice I would take my ODSTs to war and leave the Spartans behind. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xx GazzRion 33 One more thing, often when you reference ODSTs, you mention them in squads or groups, not as lone soldiers.[/quote] Do the Spartans not act in the same manor? They always travel in squads or "teams". The only exception, and I do mean only, is Spartan-117. But that was not by choice. His unit was left on Reach and the two members of his team from the orbital mission were killed (Linda was later revived). That ment he was forced to act on his own, atleast until he linked up with the Marines and ODSTs on Installation 04. From then on the majority of his missions were with Marine/ODST support. The only time he went with out them is when he was either: 1: Ordered to go on ahead (such as the rescue of Captain Keyes). 2: Let his Marine/ODST team mates die (Silent Cartographer mission, book The Flood). The last objective of that combat action was a personal choice of his and Cortanas. They did contact the rest of the Marines and ODSTs and formulated a plan of action on how to get off the ring. So even that was done in parallel with the Marines. Halo 2 and 3 were very similar in terms of support. Point being, they operate vertually the exact same.

I do not care.. they both seem to have issues with network technologies.

as i said before, anything past my previous post made by vualtingfrog should be disregarded because he is seriously misinformed.

I don't get the argument. Who here has read Fall of Reach? When Sierra 117 gets cortana and shields, he goes up against a handfull/fireteam of ODSTs or battle hardened Marines(really the same thing by the time the ODST story comes around) and dodges a missile from the longsword fighter before making it to his objective. I'd like to see on single ODST do that...

exactly!

1. John was outside of his armor when he fought 4 - 6 ODST's when he was a TEENAGER. I don't mean 18 or 19, I mean like 11 - 16, and he killed all of them. Battle trained ODST's at the peak of their physical strength, dead, killed by a teenager. 2. I just read Fall of Reach a while back, and I can vividly remember this chapter. John's team is having another training session, they're 18 - 22 years old, outside of there suits. They're going against dozens of Marines in Mark III armor (giant mech suits, used at the time for heavy lifting) in a game of capture the flag. When the Spartan's come out, not only do they take out all of the marines (I remember that John simply pounced on one, left a dent in it, knocked it over, and jumped off back into the shadows), get the flag, and take out all the camera's, but they did this in a matter of seconds, if not a minute or two. 3. Spartan's did have genetic enhancement, yet again, I RECENTLY read Fall of Reach, most of the Spartan's died during the process. 4. John defeated 4 - 6 ODST's with no weapons or suit, at the age of a teenager. True, they didn't know what they were up against, but what makes you think that one ODST could take on John if he did know what he was up against?

wow you guys are debating it through there strenth and all tht crap just judge them by how fun to play they r and when u do ODST are way better

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] come together wow you guys are debating it through there strenth and all tht crap just judge them by how fun to play they r and when u do ODST are way better[/quote] HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA....I would rather play as a spartan anyday.

dude they were picked for their genetic markers and were given inhancments it specifically states in the books that if they didnt have the enchancements they would've broken theyre bones just by saluting

read the books, and spartans win,odsts suck.

READ THE BOOKS YOU MORONS. Halo: Fall of Reach: John, as a child, is attacked by 4 fully grown veteran ODSTs. He [b]kills[/b] or mutilates them all with his bare hands in a matter of seconds, ripping and tearing bones like toothpicks. He had no armor, and was still a child. Spartans completely demolish ODSTs. How is this even a discussion? I mean really...

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Spartans are the better soldiers but ODST's are still my favorites.

The point is, the Spartan whooped on the ODST. John 117 wears armour that weighs 900 pounds and can STILL jump higher than an ODST and run fast. Imagine if you were to take that armour off of him, then how fast could he run and how high could he jump? But, only to be fair, you take away the VISR from and ODST and place him against a Spartan with now armour, the clear winner would still be a Spartan. [Edited on 10.10.2009 8:48 AM PDT]

i agree with Rorchach, the Spartans were genetically and cybernetically enhanced. Only 32 were left after the genetic enhancements and training. I have loved ODST's ever since they were introduced in Halo 2 but in a fight, 1 on 1 the Spartans will win every time. If it was like 20 ODST with rocket launchers, plasmas, and sniper rifles against the MC bare handed then maybe they'd have a shot.

Play Halo1-Halo3 on Legendary. Imagine that as an ODST. To make things worse, kill everyone you can, including humans and ally Elites. Based on what I know, Spartans are stronger than they are in games, ODSTs are weaker than they are in ODST. Spartan is Superman, ODST is Batman. Like whichever you want, I prefer Batman, but Superman is nearly invincible.

[quote]They are faster on foot, that is true however that is not a sustainable speed. It is a burst speed. Even says it in the book Fall of Reach, page 73, paragraph 11 (from memory).[/quote] I CHECKED THE PAGE AND YOU LIED!!!!! Oh and before I forget check spelling before submitting your post, ok? Thank youu!!<3 Spartan>ODST But Luv em both!! Check that page you referenced boi! could you kick a person and make him land 8ft away? Iunno...that seems unlikely [Edited on 10.10.2009 9:15 AM PDT]

No, even without the armor Spartans are phisically augeumented enhanced, making them faster and stronger. When the Master Chief was younger and didn't have his armor he fought 4 ODST's, killing 2, and seriously inguring the other two [Edited on 10.12.2009 3:04 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VautlingFrog For starters they are not genetically enhanced. They are selected for a spesific genetic marker. Secondly that marker could be anything. Millions of humans have the possability of having it. They arent so special. [/quote] Wow..... Did you even read the books, yes they were Genetically enhanced (EDIT: I am sorry, they were not Genetically enhanced, they were physically Augmented to artificially introduce hormones that make them quickly and painfully go through puberty and give them better reaction times,), but they were also selected for that genetic marker, but millions don't have it, they have to be specific age, 5-7, and considering only 250 fit in that criteria, out of about 10+ planets each with billions of inhabitants, makes them all pretty special. On topic. Considering Spartans have a distinct advantage, their MJOLNIR armor systems, In my opinion: one on one combat, Spartan Without their Mjolnir, one on one, Spartan A squad of ODSTs (5) vs one Spartan, Spartan A squad of ODSTs (5) vs one unarmored Spartan, 50/50 Every single ODST that ever lived (? probably alot) vs. Every single Spartan II that ever lived, (about 75), I don't know about this one, the ODSTs have a distinct numerical advantage so i'd give it to the ODSTs Every single ODST that ever lived vs Every single Spartan that ever lived, I, II, and III, (About unknown number probably 50+75+900= approximately 1025) I would probably give this one to the Spartans. Up for discussion. In an Awesomesauce contest. ODST. As you can see by my opinion, an Odst can only win by having a large numerical advantage over the Spartans. [Edited on 10.10.2009 9:18 AM PDT]