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10/2/2009 10:04:07 PM
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The covenant is like the Islam jihadist!
Ok this may sound a little redundant but hear me out. Both the covenant and gihadist leaders (The phrophets and all muslim extreamist leaders)deliberatly missinterprit the things they belive. The covenant phrophets were told that the humans are the dcendants of the forrunners but the phrophets munipulate the minds of the rest of the covenant and start a war of genocide.
The islam extreamist leaders have also done this by blowing themselves up in the name of allah and want to destroy everyone who is not of their belife or different. They completly change the things the qoran says about the islam belife and take them to murdering heights.
When you think about it they are kinda related. If this was what bungie plannd then way to go!!!! VERY VERY CLEVER!!!!!!
[Edited on 10.02.2009 2:26 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JollyRogerX [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZERATO You can't simply tell someone to leave if their religion is being possibly made fun of, or talked about in any case. If someone made a thread about Halo and Christianity, I'm sure it wouldn't be easy to let the OP go on about your religion.[/quote] But I did. I made a parallel between European Christianity in the middle ages to be similar to the Covenant with their Crusades and put humanity in the role of the Muslims. I've re-read the OP, and he clearly states that he sees the parallel between extremist Islamic jihadists who are engaged in a genocidal war and the Covenant. That is (at least to me) a clear indication that he is not lumping all Muslims together for the point of his comparison, but stating that ANY religion can be taken, skewed, misused by a few practitioners and end up being 180 degrees away from what the peaceful majority of the faithful say and do. No one has claimed that any religion is genocidal or corrupt, but that corruption is possible and it is a theme in the fiction of this game. Having a kneejerk response and being offended when someone is actually speaking about someone who you clearly are in disagreement with... it's unwarranted. Now, please. The topic is (despite all the attempts to make it about something else) is how the Halo fiction can draw from multiple and varied sources.[/quote] Yes, but does this have anything to do with ODST? Or is some leeway given because it deals with the fiction in general?[/quote] You know, THAT is a valid point and one that I had not considered. Thanks for keeping a level head.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZERATO You can't simply tell someone to leave if their religion is being possibly made fun of, or talked about in any case. If someone made a thread about Halo and Christianity, I'm sure it wouldn't be easy to let the OP go on about your religion.[/quote] But I did. I made a parallel between European Christianity in the middle ages to be similar to the Covenant with their Crusades and put humanity in the role of the Muslims. I've re-read the OP, and he clearly states that he sees the parallel between extremist Islamic jihadists who are engaged in a genocidal war and the Covenant. That is (at least to me) a clear indication that he is not lumping all Muslims together for the point of his comparison, but stating that ANY religion can be taken, skewed, misused by a few practitioners and end up being 180 degrees away from what the peaceful majority of the faithful say and do. No one has claimed that any religion is genocidal or corrupt, but that corruption is possible and it is a theme in the fiction of this game. Having a kneejerk response and being offended when someone is actually speaking about someone who you clearly are in disagreement with... it's unwarranted. Now, please. The topic is (despite all the attempts to make it about something else) is how the Halo fiction can draw from multiple and varied sources.[/quote] Yes, but does this have anything to do with ODST? Or is some leeway given because it deals with the fiction in general? I think some people are offended not by what the OP compared but how he did it. He never states the other side or flaws in his theory, such as how galaxy ending isnt part of the islam religion. [Edited on 10.02.2009 3:42 PM PDT]
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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor[/url]
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The japanese attackd us because we were taking away their vital oil supplies.
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Recon No 54 I read the crusade post. Nice read. Nice investment of thought beside what the other bumpkins here are posting. while not a history expert there are some great parallels drawn.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ynohta Elbbid [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DTA MoonDawg Halo 1 was already made before September 11th. The reason Halo is rated Mature was because of the World Trade Center tragedy. Joe Staten touched on that subject in one of the PAX panels. The two comparisons are shockingly similar.[/quote] But September 11 wasn't the first terrorist attack on America. Just the first one that had a national impact as big as it did. The Trade Centers were bombed on February 26, 1993 and the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building was bombed in Oklahoma City, OK on April 19, 1995.[/quote] Pearl Harbor was a terrorist attack sort of. I don't think Japanese are terrorist though just good with math.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ericslick This could very well be said about Christians as well...Your opinions aren't always fact.[/quote] True. And it has happend with us before way back in the dark ages
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This could very well be said about Christians as well...Your opinions aren't always fact.
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I agree with you ally242, all the way
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZERATO You can't simply tell someone to leave if their religion is being possibly made fun of, or talked about in any case. If someone made a thread about Halo and Christianity, I'm sure it wouldn't be easy to let the OP go on about your religion.[/quote] But I did. I made a parallel between European Christianity in the middle ages to be similar to the Covenant with their Crusades and put humanity in the role of the Muslims. I've re-read the OP, and he clearly states that he sees the parallel between extremist Islamic jihadists who are engaged in a genocidal war and the Covenant. That is (at least to me) a clear indication that he is not lumping all Muslims together for the point of his comparison, but stating that ANY religion can be taken, skewed, misused by a few practitioners and end up being 180 degrees away from what the peaceful majority of the faithful say and do. No one has claimed that any religion is genocidal or corrupt, but that corruption is possible and it is a theme in the fiction of this game. Having a kneejerk response and being offended when someone is actually speaking about someone who you clearly are in disagreement with... it's unwarranted. Now, please. The topic is (despite all the attempts to make it about something else) is how the Halo fiction can draw from multiple and varied sources.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Daniel J Walton Learn to spell. It's Jihad and Qur'an. And Bungie were orginally going to call the Arbiter the Dervish, which is an islamic holy warrior, but changed it so they wouldn't offend Islam. The Covenant could also be compared to the Crusades at Jerusalem and most other religious wars.[/quote] Dervish isn't only an Islamic holy warrior, it is more often than not a spinning, twirling dancer, or something to do with spins.
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Everyone just chillax! Always wanted to say that publicly :D
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Thank you!!!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AngryBrute1 People it is not intended to insult a religion or anything!!!! Its just a fictional thing being compared to whats going on with the extreamist.[/quote] Which Recon a forum mod has already said. Its k just ignore them.
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People it is not intended to insult a religion or anything!!!! Its just a fictional thing being compared to whats going on with the extreamist.
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Its not racist, Please stop. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ally242 not un winnable man ive written an email to bungie lol so up it mate and this thread should be destroyed, io wouldnt start one saying oh all Y**ks are t*****rs who waste to much time eating junk food and trying to shoot each other do i it doesnt materr how small it is racist is being racist[/quote]
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not un winnable man ive written an email to bungie lol so up it mate and this thread should be destroyed, io wouldnt start one saying oh all Y**ks are t*****rs who waste to much time eating junk food and trying to shoot each other do i it doesnt materr how small it is racist is being racist
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] alteR Ego1342 1st your stupid 2nd it spelt quran [/quote] How is he stupid? because he barely realized this? He IS totaly right. I think YOUR stupid.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 this is not a discussion ABOUT religion or politics. It is a discussion about how a fictional story is based on both current and historical events that include the misuse and abuse of a religion to excuse violence and genocide.[/quote]
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He never said that, he said "Extrimist". Ps , i agree it is really similair to real life.
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Make that 3 comments now. lol
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ynohta Elbbid [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ally242 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ally242 And im also shocked that a forum ninja has commented oin this not to stop the thread but to comapre it to some think he said 6 years agos !!!! I think bungie need to re think there staff situation [/quote] I think that you might want to try understanding that it is possible to make a comparison on an intellectual level and based on historical events without being judgmental, bigoted, or derogatory. What I saw in the OP is someone commenting on the similarity between contemporary human religious zealots with xenophobic and genocidal beliefs and how they are similar to the fictional xenophobes who are committing genocide in a video game. Or are we going to play the "stating facts,(even if done inelegantly) should not be permitted because those observations may make someone uncomfortable" game?[/quote] look i dont make the rules you do, and u should stick by them as u ment to the mighty ban hammers and the rules state *No political or religious discussion of any kind will be tolerated on the forums. any being the word here okay sort it out!!!! [/quote] But this isn't a religious discussion. We aren't discussing the religions in detail. he just brought up a similarity he found. And if you are so offended why do you keep commenting on it. it may go away if you leave it alone.[/quote] You can't simply tell someone to leave if their religion is being possibly made fun of, or talked about in any case. If someone made a thread about Halo and Christianity, I'm sure it wouldn't be easy to let the OP go on about your religion.
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Well if the moderators haven't locked it yet, I don't think they see anything with the op. Especially if a forum ninja has posted 2 comments on it. [edit] 3 comments now by the same ninja [edit] 4 now [Edited on 10.02.2009 3:24 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ally242 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ally242 And im also shocked that a forum ninja has commented oin this not to stop the thread but to comapre it to some think he said 6 years agos !!!! I think bungie need to re think there staff situation [/quote] I think that you might want to try understanding that it is possible to make a comparison on an intellectual level and based on historical events without being judgmental, bigoted, or derogatory. What I saw in the OP is someone commenting on the similarity between contemporary human religious zealots with xenophobic and genocidal beliefs and how they are similar to the fictional xenophobes who are committing genocide in a video game. Or are we going to play the "stating facts,(even if done inelegantly) should not be permitted because those observations may make someone uncomfortable" game?[/quote] look i dont make the rules you do, and u should stick by them as u ment to the mighty ban hammers and the rules state *No political or religious discussion of any kind will be tolerated on the forums. any being the word here okay sort it out!!!! [/quote] I have it perfectly sorted out, thank you. In my opinion, this is not a discussion ABOUT religion or politics. It is a discussion about how a fictional story is based on both current and historical events that include the misuse and abuse of a religion to excuse violence and genocide. I consider this to be about writing fiction, and making parallels with known events both current, historical or even mythological. It is my job to interpret the rules and I am entrusted to use my judgment to do so. You are welcome to disagree with me, you are welcome to bring it to the attention of my superiors. If they agree with you, then I have an opportunity to learn from my mistakes and be a better moderator for their forums in the future. Are you willing to state the same? That if your opinion is not shared or agreed with that perhaps you could have been wrong and should consider adjusting your views? If not..... well. There you go.
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Well then just go away. You fighting an un winable war here.
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Forum Ninja, quit being an idiot if you know that the OP is being racist. He said that these guys misinterpret their religion, and obviously he doesn't know WTH he's talking about. Stop continuing a pointless thread that will be locked in a bit for breaking the rules. You made the rules, quit being hypocritical about them
