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10/1/2009 5:22:47 PM
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Glyphs and treasure hunting; the truth about the Sword in ODST
[quote][/quote][b]If you are just joining us, the main discussion of this thread has shifted to unlocking the secret associated with the stonehenge rooms and glyphs around New Mombassa at night. The following info about the sword [i]led to[/i] the idea of an unlockable easter egg in ODST, and is still worty of a read. If you wish to join the treasure hunt (why not!) skip to the last pages of this thread and catch up!
Thanks for your contribution, and have fun![/b][quote][/quote]
Sorry, forgot to include this at first: This is all work done by I adJACENt I, and Pope Rex. Pope started the idea by looking at the Medal Chest, and then we both worked on it from there.
As most of you are aware, there is no Energy Sword in ODST. Except for [url=http://www.bungie.net/Account/profile.aspx?uid=7182993]this guy[/url], but he doesn't count. ;) Energy Swords are the [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Energy_sword]signature weapon of the Sangheili (Elites)[/url], and since all of the Elites featured in ODST are already dead, it's no surprise that you cannot find a Sword anywhere. There is, however, and empty Sword hilt near a bunch of dead Elites and Brutes in the Tayari Plaza level, when Buck asks Dare "What's with all the dead Elites?"
Well, as some of you may know, there are two medal GIFs in the ODST GIF database pertaining to Swords. The [url=http://www.bungie.net/images/halo3stats/odst/medals/gif_large/sword_spree.gif]Sword Spree[/url], and the [url=http://www.bungie.net/images/halo3stats/odst/medals/gif_large/slice_and_dice.gif]Slice and Dice[/url]. In Halo 3, the Sword Spree was obtained by killing 5 enemies in a row with the Sword without dying, and the Slice and Dice bumped that number up to 10.
Those images were obtained by viewing the Page source of a person's [url=http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/CareerStatsODST.aspx?player=I%20adJACENt%20I]ODST medal chest[/url]. These pics are not to be confused with the [url=http://www.bungie.net/images/halo3stats/medals/fd6bd89a-db65-4f69-997b-631c52596729.gif]Sword Spree[/url] and [url=http://www.bungie.net/images/halo3stats/medals/0bd30346-acfe-4345-88c7-9a8f7c244cf1.gif]Slice and Dice[/url] from Halo 3. Completely different URLs and sizes. If you attempt to go further up on that url, and try to view all medals, you get a [url=http://www.bungie.net/images/halo3stats/odst/medals/gif_large/]"Sorry, but you are not authorized to view this page"[/url] message, which is understandable. Whether there's a secret or not, I doubt Bungie wants us viewing every single little GIF they have for the stats.
So the question is: Why were there Sword Spree medals made up for ODST, if they did not include a Sword in the game? There are three viable options here...
1. The medals were made due to someone initially thinking there was a Sword in the game. Maybe Elites were in the first stages of the game, maybe we could have stumbled on that fight between the Brutes and Elites, and picked up a Sword off a dead Elite. Maybe they were there just in case someone decided to put a Sword in later. Definitely plausible.
2. Two words, three letters: DLC. Maybe a Sword will be included in some DLC further down the road. DLC has not been confirmed at this point, and [url=http://www.gamerzines.com/xbox-360/news/no-dlc-for-odst.html]there are currently no plans to release any[/url]. So...
3. There is a Sword somewhere in the game, that is meant to be either unlocked or found, and this is what I will focus on for the rest of the thread.
Our first clue to there being something unlockable was the ODST Medal Chest. If you [url=http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll319/XGC_Jacen_Solo/ODSTMedalChest.jpg]look at this picture[/url], you will see two areas I wish to draw your attention to. First is the Weapon Spree medals. Notice how there are black boxes to the right of the sprees of 10. Now, on the bottom, after Hero, the medal box ends, and the last two slots are just grayed out. Why would there be black boxes in the Weapon Spree block, but not at the bottom of the chest?
Also, I forgot to add the following in, Pope reminded me of it...
[quote]In the source code of the ODST medal page, the black medal boxes appear as an object type "hidden medal" as part of a "medalblock" class.
Here:
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Well, we figured there must be some other medal, that no one else has found and unlocked yet. Since these blocks were next to the Weapon Sprees of 10, we first assumed that there would be a spree of much more than 10. Pope tested this theory out, and found that 100 straight splatters will still not give you any extra medal (we tried that [url=http://www.bungie.net/Stats/ODSTg.aspx?gameid=32032311&player=I%20adJACENt%20I]here[/url]). We next thought that maybe there was something outrageous you had to do, like playing an entire Round/Set on Legendary while only getting Splatters.
So along this line of thinking, we started trying out various URL's to find a GIF of a medal not on the medal chest. At one point, I started trying some of the Halo 3 MM medals, just for the hell of it. Sure enough, I found the Sword Spree and Slice and Dice. As pointed out earlier, these were part of the ODST GIFs, not the Halo 3 GIFs. Two completely separate URLs.
So now we have these two medals, and no way of achieving them. If we are correct in our assumptions, there is a Sword somewhere in this game, most likely Campaign. We scoured the streets of New Mombosa, looking for any sign of this Sword. We found the empty hilt in Tayari Plaza, and we also came across an odd saying from the Superintendent on this same mission. When we first meet a local guy, he sends us into some buildings to flank a few Brutes. While transitioning from one buliding to another, we hear Buck say something like "What the hell happened here?" And the SI responds "Slow down. Final notice: Bill past due." Could this be a clue? Does anyone know why the Si would say that?
Another possible clue is the little "Stonehenge" room with the two dead Elites. It has 6 pillars, with the 'Y' markings on them, two dead Elites, two Engineers floating around, and a Carbine on the floor next to one of the Elites. What are those markings for? Do they show directions to anything, similar to all of the SI symbols around the city that point to Audion Logs and Beacons? Why do they look different, without anything between the prongs?
These same symbols are located in the Tayari Plaza section at night, while playing as the Rookie, where all the dead Elites and Brutes are. Why are these special symbols only where Elites are at?
There are a couple of other similar rooms around, too, all accessible through a Security Door. Some of them have Engineers, some with Audio Logs, some with other enemies. On the VISR map, these rooms show the pillars inside of them, but when you get into the room, all you can see are shadows where the pillars once stood (Mickey's pod crash site is one example). What's the deal with that?
So, we're left with many questions. Why are there spaces for medals next to the Weapon Sprees of 10? Why are there Sword medals when there is no Sword (that we know of) in the game? What are these symbols that only show up near the dead Elites?
[Edited on 10.04.2009 2:25 PM PDT]
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maybe that vid posted on the news can help, some guy jumped up to entire buildings...
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This guy did find swords but their not usable. Heres the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onp6uQNcc9w
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There is no sword in ODST, just leftover data for Halo 3's engine. Which is why the spree medals are there. 2000TH POST!!!!!!!!! MUAHAHA! IT IS MINE YOU FOOLS!!! [Edited on 02.24.2010 4:50 PM PST]
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i think its the sticky spree
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the five black spot are deliberate. There are 9 medals in that section. That means that they could have done that without the five black spots, 3 rows of 3. But then you think that they wanted the medals to be organized so that each type would be with its own. The H3 medal box is 3 rows of 3 and there is even one missing. They could have done it with out the black squares but they are there.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fornozo [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] doginthemafia this thread is now about fluffy kittens, DISCUSS! [/quote] You,sir, are a complete retard.[/quote] Lolz
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fornozo [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] doginthemafia this thread is now about fluffy kittens, DISCUSS! [/quote] You,sir, are a complete retard.[/quote] Don't blame him, he just tried to cheer this thread up. :)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] doginthemafia this thread is now about fluffy kittens, DISCUSS! [/quote] You,sir, are a complete retard.
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this thread is now about fluffy kittens, DISCUSS!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] enigmabi22 Imppa got out of the map. 2 ways to do his: 1. blow your self.....up. fusion coil and some grenades.BOOM!enter theater mode, watch yourself die, (hopefully your flying through the air) once your at the peek of flight switch the cam to manual mode, you should be floating upward..wait a few sec's and you should break the barrier. 2. the easy way: start up MS, wait for a Phantom to drop some guys off and fly off. exit game, watch the clip, manual cam yourself on top of the phantom, once the phantom takes off it will push you out past the barrier. You can do either during any point of the game. Have fun.[/quote] good find on 2, never knew that b4
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Imppa got out of the map. 2 ways to do his: 1. blow your self.....up. fusion coil and some grenades.BOOM!enter theater mode, watch yourself die, (hopefully your flying through the air) once your at the peek of flight switch the cam to manual mode, you should be floating upward..wait a few sec's and you should break the barrier. 2. the easy way: start up MS, wait for a Phantom to drop some guys off and fly off. exit game, watch the clip, manual cam yourself on top of the phantom, once the phantom takes off it will push you out past the barrier. You can do either during any point of the game. Have fun.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] imppa [url=http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=104017295]Like this?[/url] I've already mentioned this.[/quote] Oh wow, how did you get that picture?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sargent Peanuts As we all should know, under new mombasa was the portal generator to the ark. So, the obelisks the engineers were putting the symbols on were just a... a... Prerequisite to opening the portal. Much like pushing the on button on anything.[/quote] It's hard to say why are the glyphs on the Henge. However, it is safe to say that they are there because of the dead eites, and to show respect to their death, not because of the Oirtal. At least there's no proof for it. [quote] We also know the covenant were obsessed about the Forerunners, and have gotten almost everything possible out of them (Religion anyone?). So, the symbols were forerunner symbols. [/quote] Though the symbols are never seen before in Halo lore, yes, they are Forerunner in way or another. [quote]here's where I'm going with this. The SI tapped into the forerunner tech, which is why the engineers (being forerunner hybrids, are highly attuned to forerunner tech.[/quote] The engineers were already attuned to it, because it was Forerunners that created the Engineers. [quote] so, with SI having tapped into the tech, It's left an imprint in it. So the Engineers have began "pasting" SI's face on their symbols.[/quote] I don't think SI "tapped" into the tehc; Infact, I believe it never touched the Portal Installation. Also, the Engineers started using the SI face presumably when Vergil fused with SI, and somehow informed other Engineers about the Face. [quote] The music would tell you that the Obelisks are active.[/quote] No proved connection with Music and Squidhenge. [quote] Now, with the dissapearing Barriers, it could be the fact that the portal is a whole through space, and thus has caused "rifts", which make the barriers either appear invisible, or, they've been thrown out into space somewhere.[/quote] LOL. Are you talking about the Barries that ColdGlider talked abot in his article? They dissappear just because of the wild nature of the game engine: Random loadings and stuff, you know. [quote]Now for all I know, If there is an easter egg, it could have the effect of, I don't know, causing the strange covie weapons to spawn, or an army of sentinels just, plain and simpl, destroy everything in the city. I don't know. Just a theory.[/quote] That actually made my day. [quote] EDIT: I just read the person saying "could Bungie just tell us before reach, and that got me thinking. If my theory is wrong, then perhaps this mystery is actually, a mystery made throughout the whole series. perhaps there will be even more stuff in Halo: Reach. Who knows? Bungie (possibly) does.[/quote] I've been thinking the same. The Register Plate Egg showed tha there was co-operation between the teams of ODST and Reach. It could be that some other things, too, are somehow related to Reach. That would be totally awesome. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DarkVader9494 I would think look on the map and see if the map makes a Y shape somewhere. Look at where the lines intersect maybe[/quote] [url=http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=104017295]Like this?[/url] I've already mentioned this.
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I would think look on the map and see if the map makes a Y shape somewhere. Look at where the lines intersect maybe
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I read a whole bunch of stuff and have come up with a possibly buzz-killing theory, however, it's just a theory. I'm am going to also look up on this in game, but this is my theory. This theory Answers: The Music. The Symbols-Even the SI symbols. the Obelisks. Possibly the Barriers. As we all should know, under new mombasa was the portal generator to the ark. So, the obelisks the engineers were putting the symbols on were just a... a... Prerequisite to opening the portal. Much like pushing the on button on anything. We also know the covenant were obsessed about the Forerunners, and have gotten almost everything possible out of them (Religion anyone?). So, the symbols were forerunner symbols. here's where I'm going with this. The SI tapped into the forerunner tech, which is why the engineers (being forerunner hybrids, are highly attuned to forerunner tech. so, with SI having tapped into the tech, It's left an imprint in it. So the Engineers have began "pasting" SI's face on their symbols. The music would tell you that the Obelisks are active. Now, with the dissapearing Barriers, it could be the fact that the portal is a whole through space, and thus has caused "rifts", which make the barriers either appear invisible, or, they've been thrown out into space somewhere. Now for all I know, If there is an easter egg, it could have the effect of, I don't know, causing the strange covie weapons to spawn, or an army of sentinels just, plain and simpl, destroy everything in the city. I don't know. Just a theory. EDIT: I just read the person saying "could Bungie just tell us before reach, and that got me thinking. If my theory is wrong, then perhaps this mystery is actually, a mystery made throughout the whole series. perhaps there will be even more stuff in Halo: Reach. Who knows? Bungie (possibly) does. [Edited on 02.19.2010 8:45 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bukimari [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] imppa The Sum-up I'm working on should cover most of the stuff found. Hopefully.[/quote] Any time we could possibly expect this sum-up? [/quote] Uhh, say week or two. I'm really busy with other stuff currently, and I don't have too much time to work on it. However, there's a high chance that I can finish it during the holidays next week. So please, be patient and forgive me my slowness. :P
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] imppa The Sum-up I'm working on should cover most of the stuff found. Hopefully.[/quote] Any time we could possibly expect this sum-up?
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Maybe Bungie could just tell us before Reach?
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how about you get out the map first
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I tried to get some guys and jump on each other to get higher up on buildings like you do to get the hidden sword of New Mombassa in Halo 2. However, I had no luck. There is invisible walls and cielings all around preventing me from getting to any secret spots.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NemesisxEnFoRcR every two pages or so someone who is still in this debate/treasure hunt needs to update the situation for the rest of us because 80 pages is just too long.[/quote] The Sum-up I'm working on should cover most of the stuff found. Hopefully.
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The OP is the Sword theory, and it's pretty certain that there is no any hidden sword in ODST, and that the founded spree medals are just leftovers. The glyphs are a longer story, and I'm gonna do a sum-up of them soon. I'll inform when I get done with it (and with some other kewl stuff, too). [Edited on 02.18.2010 11:38 AM PST]
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every two pages or so someone who is still in this debate/treasure hunt needs to update the situation for the rest of us because 80 pages is just too long.
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i know, i only read the first page or so. they said something about a golden warthog as well. and whats this about micky's crash site? i havn't found that!
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There are some who claim that there actually is an energy sword in Halo: ODST. They say there are two medal slots where the Sword spree and Slice n' Dice medals should go. But those slots, in my opinion, are used for the Stuck spree medals. I currently have the stuck spree medal, and I have only 1 empty slot. But I understand your question. I don't know what to believe either.
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what sword theorie what glyphs whats every one talking about? if any one has time to explain please feel free to do so
