now hear me out, this isnt me whining, if pulse rifles are weak im fine with that, this is more just me thinking. before the patch pulse rifles time to kill (time to kill) was basically about the same as a handcannon (look it up, mathematical fact). the problem was handcannons were innacurate, the end result was pulse rifles being more forgiving, while being faster or as fast of TTK then handcannons, autos, and scouts. scouts had an edge in long range, auto in close, but imo neither defined enough. pulse, especially fast fire rate pulses were easy enough to use in close range to compete with autos, and many had long enough ranges to compete with scouts at long range. that imo was the biggest issue, and it was addressed. but this damage nerf, from both pvp and pve perspectives seems heavy handed. removing low ROF pulses ability to 2 burst, making them one of hte slowest killing primaries in the game. There is literally no reason to use a low ROF pulse (perhaps they are trying to phase it out? there is not very many). medium kills in the same number of bursts. so now pulse rifles kill slower then handcannons, who occupy the same range territory (medium) but are also more mobile. this basically completly overshadows pulse rifles in PVP, they have no real purpose outside of people who just like pulse rifles. from an efficiency standpoint, auto/handcannon/scout are the ONLY primaries worth there salt in pvp anymore. if pulses could have kept its damage mostly untouched combined with the range nerfs there would have been SOME give and take between handcannons and pulse rifles. handcannons would be more mobile but require more skill to land the headshots, pulse rifles would be more forgiving but much less mobile when firing. PVP=pulse rifles are mathematically a dead primary, people will still use them of course, but just because you use it doesnt mean its not completly wanting in every aspect in PVP now, PVE, this is where i was surprised. i took my villainy and my jade rabbit/tlaloc into a hard mode raid BEFORE the nerf. both tlaloc and jade rabbit had to 2 shot kill the acolytes, this annoyed me, took out villainy and could one burst them, much more efficient. But now, the same targets, with the same gun, 2 bursts with the villainy, even if i landed all headshots they were left with a sliver of life. i was shocked, i seriously thought i was just messing up shots until i heard about the true numbers on the nerf. my villainy has 27 rounds, thats 9 bursts, i can kill 4 targets before having to reload, meanwhile a tlaloc had 19 rounds, able to kill 8 targets before a reload. evne if i had 30-33 rounds thats 5 targets to 8 on a tlaloc, or 5 on a jade rabbit but due to its unique features it makes little difference. pulse rifles are now simply completly innefficient in PVE, scouts were already the preferred weapon 9 times out of 10, now its no contest. pulse rifles are in play, deadweight in PVE compared to a scout. in short pulse rifles, are just weak enough to be redundant in both PVP and PVE This all said, im ok with this in truth, i have a bunch of autos and scouts that are good for both pvp and PVE, and a couple decent handcannons (got to work on my handcannons). I just wanted this to be known, if your using a pulse rifle, at this point its because you like pulse rifles, because they are sub par for everything. they are overhsadowed completly by handcannons/scouts in pvp in there respective ranges (autos im unsure) and in PVE its scouts or your just playing what you like, not whats efficient. this all said...despite my numerous nice scouts for PVE, kinda want to get my not like the others vendor role back...dont know why it just served me so well in PVE.