I have long thought about trying to create a weapon to add to the Halo multiplayer experience. After some long hours of staring at my ceiling I came up with this.
[b]Suggested ideas for a name: Shard launcher, Perforator, Seeder, Crystallizer, Duster, Mist Mortar (Mister), lacerateor. [/b]
Role:
The key to creating a weapon for the multiplayer experience was, for me at least, to introduce a new weapon without shattering the carefully held balance that Bungie has (almost) perfected. The role this weapon assumes is that of a heavy weapon, one for the Covenant. The reason for this is that the Covenant have precious few heavy weapons available to them. It also directly promotes teamwork, something none of the other weapons do.
General Description:
The weapon is similar to the human rocket launcher, except that it fires rather large shards of Needler crystal. It explodes upon impalement or with the touching of the ground or wall like a rocket with a smaller blast radius, but that is not it's true purpose. When it explodes, it sends out a pink mist made up of tiny reactive crystals in the air for a medium to large area. Anyone caught in the blast will be coated with the mist for a while until it wears off. People coated in the mist will have floating clouds of it hanging around and being given off from the crystals on the surface of their armor. The mist released by the blast will have a delay before settling to the floor and becoming harmless, making the weapon useful for stoppering up passages. What does this mist do, exactly? It makes the victim incredibly reactive to needler rounds, in fact, one might be able to kill a player with just two rounds from the needler, as opposed to the usual 8-10. This directly promotes teamwork between users of the needler and the new weapon. Another side effect is that it also makes the victim susceptible to plasma bolts, only on a much weaker scale.
*Update*
Based on the communities' responses, it appears that the henceforth named "shard launcher" is a bit contextual, in the sense that without a needler around, it's rendered unnecessary. Upon consideration, I must say I agree ^_^, so here's the update. If it sticks a person, it get's an instant kill. If it hit's the ground, it stays there for a slight delay, and then explodes with the force of a rocket in addition to it's other effects.
Pit0 had another idea. Let it deteriorate the players shields and health as the move through the resulting cloud. (explanation for this? The gas is corrosive(acidic)).
Look and Feel:
I got Lord Josephius2 to make some pretty cool [url=http://s264.photobucket.com/albums/ii166/lordjoseifius/?action=view¤t=NeedlerMortar.jpg]concept art[/url] for it. He portrays it as a large, mortar-like version of the needler which is pretty much how it would look. It would be the size of the Rocket launcher, with similar delays in between firing. It would hold six shards by default, and will have a wait time in between shots, however there would only be one clip as it is made to be a disposable weapon for the field. The projectiles would home a bit, but with remotely descent reflexes, you will be able to avoid it with ease. The shards would travel quicker than the rocket though, so your timing would be different that the timing of avoiding a rocket. The Shard would make a sound while traveling so you would have some warning of it coming.
llamalizard made this really cool [url=http://s264.photobucket.com/albums/ii187/llamalizard/?action=view¤t=Needleroverview.jpg]3D model[/url] with an alternate design for the weapon. In his version, it is more of a rocket launcher or fuel rod cannon type weapon that shoots needles in a straight line, rather than an overhead arc.
*Update* llamalizard finished[url=http://ashsr.deviantart.com/art/Shard-Launcher-138482354] arm-mounted version[/url], with a spartan for scale. Great work!
Yankee115 drew out an [url=http://s209.photobucket.com/albums/bb250/brooily3000/?action=view¤t=concepto1.jpg] alternate design[/url] for the weapon. In his design, the weapon takes on a more sleek and rounded form (much like the covenant's ships) that really suits the covenant's artistic design. Very cool concept!
Unique medals associated with it:
Set 'em up... : Damage someone with the weapon, and have someone else kill them.
And Knock 'em down: Get a kill with this weapon.
Predicted Reactions By:
The Players: The players would enjoy a new covie weapon that promotes teamwork, and doesn't mess with the well planned formula. But hey, I can't speak for everyone. What do YOU think?
Bungie: From Bungie's standpoint, it represents a fresh new addition to the covie's arsenal along with an interesting art design. The promotion of teamwork would probably be welcomed by them, but hey I can't speak for Bungie. So Bungie, You tell me what you think :P
MLG: Now the interesting thing about this weapon is that MLG might actually like it, seeing as it promotes teamwork, and we all know how they LOOOVE teamwork. It also might distract them from plastering their maps with BRs every two inches.
Precedent: Believe it or not, someone actually found a precedent among the Halo canon for the existence of this kind of weapon! Check it out, it certainly make the weapon more conceivable.
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The1Pink1Pirate7
I actually found some precedent for this weapon in Halo: First Strike on pg. 108. When flying over Covenant Fred and Kelly are fired upon by I'm assuming grunts with a weapon that fires large needler like rounds. They exploded into lots of needles. This is a summary of the text in the book of which is UNDER COPYRIGHT BY MICROSOFT CORPORATION (2003) and WRITTEN BY ERIC NYLUND and PUBLISHED BY DEL REY BOOKS which is an imprint of THE RANDOM HOUSE PUBLISHING GROUP. Purple-white crystalline shards hissed through the air - projectiles/shards looked like the the projectiles fired from a Needler - The size of Fred's forearm - One of the projectiles exploded in midair sending needle shards (like a spike grenade) outward - of the shards most of them bounced off the banshee but one stuck onto Fred's banshee and exploded destroying one of the canards(wings) on the banshee.
Ok so here is my very pathetic sketch, my hands can't do what my mind sees. [url=http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/537/photo8w.jpg]The pathetic sketch[/url][/quote]
I'd recommend reading his post, it's very insightful ^_^
After some considerably more time staring at my ceiling, I have come up with the second of my trio of weapons to add to the Halo experience.
[b] Suggestions for a name, anyone? [/b]
Role: To provide a(nother) team-based weapon, but to be a weapon in it's own right as well.
General Description: A UNSC grenade launcher, it launches electrically charged grenades that have an area of affect shield drain, as well as a vehicle knockout (similar to the overcharged plasma pistol). The secondary effect of this would be that it would overload any equipment in a small vicinity, destroying them. It would have two firing modes, the first would just fire the grenades in semi-automatic fashion. The grenades are very bouncy, meaning that they may not stop exactly where you want and continue bouncing for a second. That brings us to the second firing mode, which is: By holding down the right trigger, the launcher overcharges the grenade, causing it to explode the moment it hit's another object. The tradeoff being lack of rapid fire for a better aimed shot. You could hold it like that indefinantly, and cancel it by switching weapons. Reloading would take a while, to offset the grenade's power. The launcher would carry six grenades before reloading.
An alternate view of this weapon, to nerf it, would be that the current runs alon the ground, so anyone jumping won't be affected. I don't particularly like this idea, as people are always jumping, but it's there.
Look and feel: In my opinion, should be that of the [url=http://www.futurefirepower.com/mgl-m32-multiple-grenade-launcher]mgl/m32 multiple grenade launcher[/url] UNSC style, yet keeping with the futuristic nature of the weapon. The fact that it's based on electricity should be apparent, with glowing blue cables roped underneath it, and electrically charged firing chambers. That's my vision, if anyone want's to create some concept art for it, be my guest. Please :P
Unique medals: Electrocution: get a kill with this weapon.
Predicted reactions by:
Bungie: It's a cool addition to the UNSC arsenal, and it adds another layer of gameplay to the single and multiplayer aspect of it. What's not to like?
The Players: Same as above, really. The UNSC should have had a launcher long before now, and it's cool looking and gameplay enhancing to boot!
MLG: It's a human weapon, it emphasizes personnel and team skill, and it adds another layer of skill to the game. The might go for it...
*Note* This is an excerpt from my
Precedent: In Halo Wars, the fully upgraded hog had one. There, justified.
Extra stuff:
Fox_Knight made some cool [url=http://s1007.photobucket.com/albums/af193/3blindmice/?action=view¤t=weapons001.jpg]Concept[/url] [url=http://s1007.photobucket.com/albums/af193/3blindmice/?action=view¤t=weapons.jpg] Art[/url] for the weapons. Keep up the good work!
So that being said, tell me your opinion of the weapon!
[Edited on 10.20.2009 9:21 PM PDT]
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Awesome. Just awesome. We need more cool covie weapons that are actually effective.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Chooly How bout a Chuck Norris launcher?[/quote] No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, noooooooooooooooo! [Edited on 10.04.2009 12:39 AM PDT]
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Bit too complex, the concept of these weapons should be easily understandable. My Take: The mist from the needle cannon is poisonous, and does damage to anyone passing through, and for a few seconds after leaving (though this makes it a bit too similar to the flamethrower.) The grenade launcher should have some arc, and not do any health damage. It should only affect shields and disable vehicles. It should also have a slow draw time to discourage noob combos. It should also need to directly hit instead of having a field of effect.
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How bout a Chuck Norris launcher?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Awkward_Zombie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ev1l D3m0n Cool concepts, but don't we already have the Halo 1 Fuel Rod as mortar?[/quote] Um.......no? How is the fuel rod like a mortar? At all?[/quote]The Halo CE/PC Fuel Rod is a mortar, and Hunters fire mortars too.
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I would say that a mist grenade that stops passage through an area would be nice.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The1Pink1Pirate7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dustinw1 to OP, i have a great weapon. It is called the MA5B. It has a sixty round clip, is bullpup, has an electronic ammo counter, is silver, and is very inaccurate. [url=http://www.clanlc.com/blackhawk/images/halo/ma5b_assault_rifle.jpg]Heres a linck to a pic of it.[/url][/quote] Hahah... noob. Short controlled bursts use the AR like that and you will be a GOD. But still I laughed my Alfa Sierra Sierra off.[/quote] I forgot to add that firing fully auto turns the rifle into a shotgun, a well....
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That is such a awesome idea i think that you should get bungie to have a look at it really awesome idea
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The shard launcher looks cool. I could see the arm mounted one being used as a hunter weapon. as for the precedent you metioned about First Strike, I had always assumed that was the heavy needler, later featured in halo wars.
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To n0llemaster; Please post a relevant comment. I am tempted to report you for spamming, I have seen this many times. If you want to post random stuff, go to the Flood [Edited on 10.03.2009 9:53 AM PDT]
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No, that is complicated and nearly pointless. Why would you want a gun that is only useful in conjunction with another gun? Especially when all it does is save ammo.
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tl;dr lol
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dustinw1 to OP, i have a great weapon. It is called the MA5B. It has a sixty round clip, is bullpup, has an electronic ammo counter, is silver, and is very inaccurate. [url=http://www.clanlc.com/blackhawk/images/halo/ma5b_assault_rifle.jpg]Heres a linck to a pic of it.[/url][/quote] Hahah... noob. Short controlled bursts use the AR like that and you will be a GOD. But still I laughed my Alfa Sierra Sierra off.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] westpointusma15 the last thing the UNSC needs is another anti-vehicle weapon. the needler mortar could be cool, but it needs to do more damage than you said because there would be very few needlers. its too contextual to be very useful[/quote] Lol. And to think, I never knew the UNSC used needlers.... The point of that statment is that the UNSC has at least three vechicle killers, while the Covenant's Fuel Rod cannon is the only Covie heavy weapon. I would love to see a new Covenant heavy weapon. The one problem I see in this is that most of the heavy (anti-vehicle) weapons in the game are also extremly effective against infantry. That's the one major problem that I think Bungie could work on for this weapon
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to OP, i have a great weapon. It is called the MA5B. It has a sixty round clip, is bullpup, has an electronic ammo counter, is silver, and is very inaccurate. [url=http://www.clanlc.com/blackhawk/images/halo/ma5b_assault_rifle.jpg]Heres a linck to a pic of it.[/url]
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the last thing the UNSC needs is another anti-vehicle weapon. the needler mortar could be cool, but it needs to do more damage than you said because there would be very few needlers. its too contextual to be very useful
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I think the main problem lies in the fact that the super-needler cannon (whatever) is too specialised. Because needlers aren't exactly very common, it feels very limited.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] llamalizard [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sgt Creighton And said weapons are not practical in the least.[/quote] Which is why community interaction should be encouraged so that we can all end up with a weapon everyone likes that would work for Halo. As it is now you are REALLY not helping to make it more practical, are you? Anyway. It could act like this: Fire shot Shot sticks to wall. shot explodes after 3 seconds in an exceptionally large neelder explosion. Anyone within 12 feet (just under two spartans) will immediately die with their own needler explosion. Anyone within 20 feet will lose all shields. Useful for clearing out camping spots, but gives long enough for player to run away. Not so useful in open areas.[/quote] If only the OP had such great insight on how his weapons should work.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sgt Creighton And said weapons are not practical in the least.[/quote] Which is why community interaction should be encouraged so that we can all end up with a weapon everyone likes that would work for Halo. As it is now you are REALLY not helping to make it more practical, are you? Anyway. It could act like this: Fire shot Shot sticks to wall. shot explodes after 3 seconds in an exceptionally large neelder explosion. Anyone within 12 feet (just under two spartans) will immediately die with their own needler explosion. Anyone within 20 feet will lose all shields. Useful for clearing out camping spots, but gives long enough for player to run away. Not so useful in open areas.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] llamalizard [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sgt Creighton [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Awkward_Zombie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Oh, and i'm afraid I cannot go onto bungie.net for the next few days, feel free to post, but I will be unable to reply until then. Thanks for your understanding. [/quote] Thnk god!.. oh I mean aww what ashame you'll be missed dearly by the community, honestly.[/quote] Because flaming over the internet makes either of you tough, cool or more respected. You're making yourselves look like retarded pricks, seriously. Especially you Sgt. Crieghton, you're being overly rude and making yourself more likely to be disliked. I have NEVER seen a post on this forum before this one involving weapons that enhance each other, and I've been here since the day the forum was opened. If your post on new weapons didn't get many replies, nobody cares. My post on improved enemies only got 77, and there's been heaps of identical posts since then fleshed out even less that got more replies. Do I care? NO. The point of a concept is to get feedback on what's good and bad, what could be improved, and eventually end up with a much better final product. That's what this thread has been about, developing the ideas. It's not been about flaming before you arrived. We have developed them from a simple weapon enhancing shot into at least 3 different ideas that could all be expanded on - the weapon enhancing mist, one with a built-in normal needler, achievements for using it well/medals, a version that embeds inself in an object (of any kind) before exploding into 12 tracking needler shots a few seconds later, a version that explodes on impact like a miniature wraith mortar...EVERYONE who has posted an idea in this thread has helped to flesh out the concepts and make them work. [/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] llamalizard [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sgt Creighton [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Awkward_Zombie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Oh, and i'm afraid I cannot go onto bungie.net for the next few days, feel free to post, but I will be unable to reply until then. Thanks for your understanding. [/quote] Thnk god!.. oh I mean aww what ashame you'll be missed dearly by the community, honestly.[/quote] Because flaming over the internet makes either of you tough, cool or more respected. You're making yourselves look like retarded pricks, seriously. Especially you Sgt. Crieghton, you're being overly rude and making yourself more likely to be disliked. I have NEVER seen a post on this forum before this one involving weapons that enhance each other, and I've been here since the day the forum was opened. If your post on new weapons didn't get many replies, nobody cares. My post on improved enemies only got 77, and there's been heaps of identical posts since then fleshed out even less that got more replies. Do I care? NO. The point of a concept is to get feedback on what's good and bad, what could be improved, and eventually end up with a much better final product. That's what this thread has been about, developing the ideas. It's not been about flaming before you arrived. We have developed them from a simple weapon enhancing shot into at least 3 different ideas that could all be expanded on - the weapon enhancing mist, one with a built-in normal needler, achievements for using it well/medals, a version that embeds inself in an object (of any kind) before exploding into 12 tracking needler shots a few seconds later, a version that explodes on impact like a miniature wraith mortar...EVERYONE who has posted an idea in this thread has helped to flesh out the concepts and make them work. [/quote] He Started it (on a more serious note) All i stated in my orginal post was that throughout reading the replies to this thread more than 75%(Roughly). Have a general low depositon towards theses weapons. I was merely sharing my opinion with my fellow community members. And said weapons are not practical in the least.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sgt Creighton [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Awkward_Zombie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Oh, and i'm afraid I cannot go onto bungie.net for the next few days, feel free to post, but I will be unable to reply until then. Thanks for your understanding. [/quote] Thnk god!.. oh I mean aww what ashame you'll be missed dearly by the community, honestly.[/quote] Because flaming over the internet makes either of you tough, cool or more respected. You're making yourselves look like retarded pricks, seriously. Especially you Sgt. Crieghton, you're being overly rude and making yourself more likely to be disliked. I have NEVER seen a post on this forum before this one involving weapons that enhance each other, and I've been here since the day the forum was opened. If your post on new weapons didn't get many replies, nobody cares. My post on improved enemies only got 77, and there's been heaps of identical posts since then fleshed out even less that got more replies. Do I care? NO. The point of a concept is to get feedback on what's good and bad, what could be improved, and eventually end up with a much better final product. That's what this thread has been about, developing the ideas. It's not been about flaming before you arrived. We have developed them from a simple weapon enhancing shot into at least 3 different ideas that could all be expanded on - the weapon enhancing mist, one with a built-in normal needler, achievements for using it well/medals, a version that embeds inself in an object (of any kind) before exploding into 12 tracking needler shots a few seconds later, a version that explodes on impact like a miniature wraith mortar...EVERYONE who has posted an idea in this thread has helped to flesh out the concepts and make them work.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sgt Creighton [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Awkward_Zombie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Oh, and i'm afraid I cannot go onto bungie.net for the next few days, feel free to post, but I will be unable to reply until then. Thanks for your understanding. [/quote] Thnk god!.. oh I mean aww what ashame you'll be missed dearly by the community, honestly.[/quote] Seriously? No, seriously? You MUST have a better comeback then that. Of course, the irony in all this is by posting sarcastic posts like that, youre keeping this thread alive. Thank you for your patronage. ^_^
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Awkward_Zombie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Oh, and i'm afraid I cannot go onto bungie.net for the next few days, feel free to post, but I will be unable to reply until then. Thanks for your understanding. [/quote] Thnk god!.. oh I mean aww what ashame you'll be missed dearly by the community, honestly. [Edited on 10.02.2009 6:20 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sgt Creighton STOP USING BIG WORDS PLEASE THEY CONFUSE ME *End Sarcasam* It's honestly not helpin the fact that the concepts are generic and have been disscused about before. End Thread /[/quote] See, this is a great negative response, short and to the point! I was actually unaware that these ideas were discussed before, if you could send me a link to the other "electric grenade launcher and large needler that explodes and makes the small needler more effective post", that would be very helpful :P Oh, and i'm afraid I cannot go onto bungie.net for the next few days, feel free to post, but I will be unable to reply until then. Thanks for your understanding.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Awkward_Zombie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The1Pink1Pirate7 Sorry Zombie but I would have to agree on the anger. You haven't considered one thing Coffee or I have said. All you did was steal the precedent I found for this weapon. I find you to be incredibly confident that your idea is the one and only one. The grenade thing by the way is a highly underdeveloped thought that shouldn't have even been mentioned because it is only taking what a brute shot does and a energy drain and combining them thats not creativity thats grasping for ideas.[/quote] Woah, hold on! I was unaware that there was already an idea for this weapon on bungie.net, if I had, I certainly would not have posted my version. As for stealing the precedent, I most certainly did not! All the proper credit was given that you were the one that found it, and I added it to may article because it was relevant information that needed to be said. As for your discussion with Coffe, i'm afraid my time is actually very limited as of late, and I haven't been quite following it. I will read the full conversation and reconfigure the weapon appropriately soon (in the next 2 days, i'm afraid I will not be able to do it sooner) if you wish. In response to the comment about the grenade launcher, I honestly believe that the concept is a good one, and I am not snatching at straws whatsoever.[/quote] STOP USING BIG WORDS PLEASE THEY CONFUSE ME *End Sarcasam* It's honestly not helpin the fact that the concepts are generic and have been disscused about before. End Thread /