How in the world can the hardcore players still be this stupid? Literally, in some kind of weird, insane denial. There is NO precedent in this game to date that would suggest that the kind of crazy, obsessed grinding they do every week is ever going to make them feel elite/special/whatever they are going for with this approach. Every time new content has been released, nearly all top tier gear has become obsolete (or been obnoxious to upgrade). All three Raids to date have presented players with the best opportunity to acquire the CURRENT top tier gear. It has ALWAYS been a grind. Also of note, the delta between top tier and nearly top tier has NEVER been great. Level 30 was not that much better than 29, level 32 not much better than 31 etc. etc. Literally the only times you notice this small difference is doing the RAIDS.....again.....when trying to grind it out every week. My point being....if you do not enjoy playing the Raid three times a week.....THEN DO NOT DO IT! In a few months the bar will be raised again and the cycle will repeat......and all your effort for this magical new number will have been in vain. Bungie introduces a challenge mode that gives you better access to top tier gear and you complain it is not hard enough???! It is almost as if....you have been conditioned to DESIRE the grind. You want to spend countless hours doing the same Raid activity (that you probably do not even like doing) so you can get this faux top level stuff that is the definition of fleeting. Get a grip people.....seriously. People toss CASUAL around like its some sort of insult. The majority of us are casual players....and honestly....as time marches on we observe pure lunacy from the "elite" on an almost weekly basis. You guys are jaded, you are a collective emotional rollercoaster of nonsense.....and from the outside looking in.....its amusing bordering on sad. /end rant

Is doing challenge mode warpriest the same thing as doing just normal warpriest? What changes???

Finally guaranteed 320 drops and people are complaining, ffs. It's only the SPECIAL SNOWFLAKES who wanted these challenges harder so they can prance around the tower feeling all special with gear most people can't get :) That's why all the streamers are pissed, they can't be idolised if any casual can achieve the same. Well done Bungie, power to the people :)

After running the hard mode Warpriest challenge with LFG groups on both of my characters, I can say that it's no cakewalk for the average player. Both times it took roughly an hour and multiple tries, even with most of the team being 310-313, because not everybody has a set group that can blow through everything. If you have a dedicated raid group or clan, good for you. It must be nice to play with the same group and just steamroll the raid multiple times a week. Most of us rely on LFG, and results are a mixed bag. The challenge mode will be laughably easy for an established raid team. It'll be tough for an average team. No matter how easy it is it comes down to being the best loot drop in the game and more players will be able to benefit from them than just the mega hardcores who have pretty much everything they need already. It got my hunter from 309 to 311, and my titan from 308 to 309. I got to pick up two 320 Terminus machine guns (my previous highest heavy was a 308 Terminus) and infuse my Sleeper up to 314 with my other heavy drops, not to mention 320 artifacts for both characters and leftover 310's that I can stash for whenever I get around to making a Warlock. I'm pretty pumped about that. I'm an average player, good but not superman, and I only have so much time in the week to play and gear up. Challenge mode has been a godsend.

Sorry no. No cop out for bungie. Challenge mode should have been the content the 1% wanted. Challenge mode isn't for everyone. It's extra content you don't need to complete. Considering they had a "norma" and "hard" version for the challenge modes they could have easily made this excuse for normal players and something challenging for the top players. Yes destiny isn't designed for the amount of time some people put in. Yes the hard core community is smaller. No that doesn't mean they should be ignored. And your using the numbers to fit your view. Just because a small amount of people have completed normal does not equal it being too hard to complete for normal people. Same applies for hard mode. I'll tell you right off the bat I haven't attempted hard mode. Why? Because there is no reason to. No exclusive items i'm interested in and the light level I can be now is enough to handle any content below hard mode. Now if HM had an exotic weapon locked behind it I might attempt it. (not saying I want that.) Point is you're not looking at every possibility. Plus your claim about raids being the content for the top 1% works both ways. If it's meant for the 1% then it should be as hard as they want it. And it's not meant for the average players. So you wouldn't have any standing with complaining that the content is too hard for the average players. so it needs to be made easier for you. Trials of osiris isn't for everyone. yet people seem perfectly fine with light house gear being gated behind that fact. Datto and the rest of the 1% have a right to complain about this. They are just as important as the majority who play. Bungie has been very keen on giving every type of player content for them to do. That's why trials even exists. So giving the 1% one piece of content even if it's just the hard version of challenge modes is more then fair. Especially when so much of the rest of the game is casual friendly. Even call of duty has something for the top players. league play. The facts are both bungie and the hard core players are at fault here. Bungie for once again failing to deliver decent content that was asked for by the community. They had several ways to handle this. Especially considering how long they took to add challenge mode and especially considering a handful of very well known and community based people have tossed out ideas through out the TTK release. There was no excuse for it. It's just further rushed half baked content in order to try and keep people around. And it's the hard core players fault for setting their expectations too high. While these ideas came across to them easily how frequently does Bungie listen to the community and then implement it in the game? now reduce those times each time they did so but not add it into the game the way we asked. In short Bungie is at fault for being a let down and being fairly lazy. Hard core players are at fault for thinking bungie wouldn't let them down and give them exactly what they wanted. It's never that easy with AAA studios. And please, don't call me a bungie basher. I have enjoyed plenty of things about destiny. and i've defended most things they chose to do since the beginning. I still do. But Bungie makes mistakes and nothing is wrong with stating that. If half of you even watched datto's video he said the worst part of this whole thing is that it's going to bring in a bunch of negativity about destiny that's not even related. He and the other hard core players enjoy destiny. You can like something and still complain about it. Liking something doesn't mean it's perfect to you. And disliking something doesn't mean you don't ever enjoy the game. Datto was actually mostly constructive with his video. Which is surprising considering usually when it comes to things he dislikes he's rather childish about it. (like admitting he'd be fine with thorn and shotguns being nerfed to uselessness because he hates them.) And I usually disagree with him. But for once he's got a valid point. and neither he nor the other hard core players deserve the heat they have been getting for being open about their thoughts. This isn't about human ethics. where someone being openly racist isn't okay. This is a video game. people can have different opinions and that's okay.

I do not agree that challenge mode should be built for the casuals. Just like other pve content in other games, there is usually several difficulty levels. The highest difficulty level on most games can't be beat by casuals, it's for the skilled and shows just how good you are. This challenge mode should have been made to be a mark of prestige among the community, not the participation trophy that it turned out to be for us regular raiders :/ Bungie should have made challenge mode a third option when choosing difficulties, not put on both. It shouldn't have been something people were forced into. By this way people would still be able to get there 320 gear from hard mode and those of us that wanted that extra gear or emblem or (hopefully) secret exotic would have something to show for what we accomplished. Edit: I also can't stand how people keep talking about the one percent, the one percent...the last I checked (awhile ago) that comes off of registered players which was at like 20 million (idk if it's more now)...well 1% is still 200,000 players! I've seen others say 2-5% have done hard mode so that's what 400,000 to 1,000,000 players that have been left dissatisfied?

They also can't change much due to the fact that the challenge mode is there and not toggle able. This means that a group that doesn't want to do the challenge can, and that's why they can't change mechanics

I was actually going to re install destiny to try challenge mode, I'm glad you've told me I made the right decision in not doing so😂

Do you get the trophy for completing the entire raid or just for killing Oryx? Because I imagine that a lot of people have done parts of kings fall, but not the whole thing.