Obviously you're not very experienced if you have stupid requirements. Here's a tip: Use a sword on no knight: ogres can shoot you on your platform if they walk ontop of the middle pathway. They have the height to do so. If you're doing normal: either two acolytes spawn with your knight, or two acolytes + a centurion + an acolyte eye at the middle pathway already. Kill the eye first, then knight, then the axion dart that's already mid-flight. And more importantly, help with your own ogre with Area covering grenades, kill it dead, then move to your knight..games coded for you to do that, get the view of the knight spawn in time as he spawns. Don't be silly and ADS w/ sniper and have a 2 hp ogre kill you or the other guy. Also when the guy says get off your platforms, platform on oryx needs to walk directly opposite of oryx and fall down to the half ledge thing so he can stay at that height to do whatever he wants (can help with 4th ogre and knight if positioned in the right spot). Stepping down there means oryx can't getchu. As for the others, junp up to nearest daughter platform and wait til the dude is in the center. No need to run to center and wait while eyes and whatnot that people usually leave behind while the relic dude still is run ing to even steal the brand. Just jump ontop and wait. One titan with a sniper can use weapons and solo wreck the ogres. Also don't bother saying "im in" when you get teleported. 1. Nobody knows who "im" is and 2. Nobody gives a damn lol ot doesn't help anybody in any way. And don't say "there he is!" Because that tells nobody anything. Use degrees. * sees echo go left, he is 90 degrees left, calls out "left 90"* Well these are my little big tips. Little in that they're easy, big in that everybody dies to them still: Guys it's been over a month since the hard raid came out, stop following old guides on youtube and think on your own. I may not have 2 manned hard oryx using a self ressing no knight strat, but I do take platform 1, half kill my own ogre, get knight, repeat for #2, kill the adds, repeat for #4, kill adds as voidwalker. One you follow the tips you realize "hey this isn't even that hard afterall" and you can help everybody and then it all becomes everybody helping each other and there is no possible way to lose. My first lfg group helped me with some of these tips and we completed it the day after it came out on our first attempt w/o a practice attempt.