I joined this community when I bought Destiny back at release. It was all Destiny themed, I had no idea that before Destiny this was already a thriving community with a lengthy history going all the way back to Marathon. Bungie took an online community that had thrived for years and essentially shattered it. So a lot of people felt a lot of resentment and this resentment had nowhere to go other than to the forums. Then, much later, they pay-gated the community and kicked out people who had called this place home for years. Obviously those people who remained, who had formed lasting bonds with people in this community were quite upset when their friends (some might say their family) were kicked out of the house by the landlord. A home they had helped build, that Bungie had reinforced for years that it was a shared community created by the users was one day, out of the blue, upended. So a lot of people felt a lot of resentment about this as well and this resentment had nowhere to go other than to the forums. Bungie created this site and made it the main repository for it's lore, it made this community part of the game. Then Bungie went to Reddit for feedback and Twitter to give salient updates. So a lot of people felt a lot of resentment about this as well and this resentment had nowhere to go other than to the forums. SIDE NOTE: Phrases like "whining like little girls" are sexist rhetoric and do not belong in the mature community that you are describing. Everyone has the tendency and capacity to express themselves in immature ways, especially when faced with circumstances beyond their immediate control. This is normal. Some people make loud declarative statements like "it's a slap in the face" Some people make sexist and derogatory statements like "whining like little girls" Some people make derogatory statements about honest emotional expression "Bunch of crybabies" All of these are examples of immature posturing and immature communication. They are not for the good nor are they, in themselves, a good thing. However they are an understandable thing. The positive, constructive, well thought out and well voiced requests by the community, the key things that most of the community seems to agree upon. The polls and petitions that were signed have done essentially nothing. Bungie has demonstrated that Youtubers, Reddit and Twitter have more say in the feedback that is actually acted upon in game than this community does and most here either recognize it or at least feel it. All of these things are the Zeitgeist of these forums and they won't change arbitrarily or because someone asked the community to change. Some people may be overreacting or reacting strongly to the wrong things because they are not certain what to react to that will result in positive change but their reactions are based on actions that have already been taken. Things that have already been done and that have never been answered to nor redressed. The community will not be able to walk hand in hand into a collaborative sunshine of community future until our landlord and partner (Bungie), acknowledges the actions they have taken that are literally anti-community. Bungie owns the community, Bungie controls and manages the community, if Bungie does not become part of the community and accept that with membership in community comes accountability to that community then this community will remain a collection of players many of whom are so angry that they lash out at random and for reasons unconnected to the subject matter. I realize that Bungie has claimed over and over that they are a part of this community and that we are in this together. But these declarations are not balanced against their actions. Their actions are contrary to their message and this creates resentment as the players, the paying customers, are powerless to hold them accountable for the contradiction.