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9/3/2009 4:21:52 PM
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spartan II vs spartan III
ive heard tons of rumers of the spartan IIIs posessing camo with there suits but the spartan IIs have sheilds obviosly. ive been hearing each group of spartans can beat one another and people arguing that there can be only one.
so i have decided to create a game soon but only if people agree that it should happen like is it worth fighting for?
the game will take place in valhalla the spartan IIs will get sheilds but the spartan IIIs will get camo (not started with) but no sheild
if you wish to take place in this event to prove who will win then please send me a message and i shall give you all a date and time on when the event will take place.
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spartan II's were stronger faster smarter more experienced and could jump higher then spartan III's.
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i haven't read any of the books (and they probbly did this but...) why don't the put the spartan III's as snipers cos the enemy cant see em and make the Spartan II's the guys with the turrets and rocket launchers and all the massive weapons that will be nice :D
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shouldt spartan 3s be better then 2s?
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i know he had a squad but i find that a squad of sparten 2's alittle too much for the insurection but for the covenant it was necessary but the sparten 3's were trained like family if i can rember correctly
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mad man sam [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jevanee One thing no-one mentioned yet, none of the gamers who will be playing this will have had spartan ll or spartan lll training. This would result in the spartan ll players running out into the open and getting assasisnated or sniped by the spartan llls[/quote] actuely ive thought through that im gonna put them on a map NO weapons but ill give them an even set of weapons to see who can kill who it is an advantage to the spartan IIIs becaue im going to give them limited camo and the spartan IIs will get sheilds[/quote] Hmm that might work, I would offer but my xobox got a red light so i cant lol. But it seems like you've thought this through, so who will you be playing as?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jevanee One thing no-one mentioned yet, none of the gamers who will be playing this will have had spartan ll or spartan lll training. This would result in the spartan ll players running out into the open and getting assasisnated or sniped by the spartan llls[/quote] actuely ive thought through that im gonna put them on a map NO weapons but ill give them an even set of weapons to see who can kill who it is an advantage to the spartan IIIs becaue im going to give them limited camo and the spartan IIs will get sheilds
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] recon636 Spartan IIIs rely more on teamwork and tactics, whilst spartan IIs have more thorough training and better armour.[/quote] as long as i pllay as a spartan II spartan IIs are better
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Spartan 3's where only out done by spartan 2's. The spartan 3's were the "cheaper super soldier". Without armor the spartan 2's are better in most ways (aside form 2 illeagl augmentations the 3's got). with armor the spartan 2's were still better. To sum it up the spartan 3's were the spartan 2's mini-me's, an attempte to make 10,000+ super soldiers. It didn't work and was essentially a bust since the large number of spartan 3's (compared to the spartan 2's) only had a few missions and were then essentially wiped out. where as the spartan 2's have done far more missions, with far less troops, with far better results. Spartan 2's win.
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One thing no-one mentioned yet, none of the gamers who will be playing this will have had spartan ll or spartan lll training. This would result in the spartan ll players running out into the open and getting assasisnated or sniped by the spartan llls
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all good suggestions but i want to see them my self in combat thats why i said if any one wants to know whitch is better then message me and ill make a game with spartan II vs spartan III after the fight is over ill record it. WARNING: theres only 8 places for each team witch means 8 spartan II and 8 spartan III also the spartan III can wear EVA to make it look it and yes i do realise the SIIIs wear SPI so please dont messege me about that thank you!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The_4rb1ter The whole point of the spartan III's was to be disposable and cheap.[/quote] Which is why Spartan II's would win.[/quote] Only if we include armor. The Spartan IIIs all received the same augmentations (with the lone change in that thanks to medical advancements, the augmentation drugs' success rates were now 100%) so they would, physically, be the same. The reason that the IIIs are considered "cheap and disposable" is because their armor doesn't cost the same amount as equipping an entire battalion. They are still better than the UNSC's best (ODSTs), and are equivalent to the Spartans physically (technically. There is always variance and human differences, leading to some being, naturally, better than others. Ex. Kelly being faster than every other Spartan). Mentally, and tactically, they should be equivalent to, if not better than the Spartan IIs. What problem do Spartan IIs face when running into a room full of Covenant with armour superior to even that of the Elites? They don't have to be the best, tactically, because their armour makes up for it. The Spartan IIIs on the otherhand, [i]have[/i] to be tactical, as their armour lacks the energy shielding. If they want to survive and/or accomplish their mission (which were often considered impossible or suicide missions even by the UNSC's elite ODST unit) they can't just run into a room and kill everything in sight like a Spartan II could. [Edited on 09.03.2009 11:33 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Justice One Duo [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Litez Spartan III wears EVA armor, and they don't go through the same training as the Spartan IIs' did. Pretty much they are not as strong but the camo makes up for that. [/quote] Actually it is SPI armor. Now, in Ghosts of Onyx, Kelly punches a Spartan III. The Spartan III puts up a slightly good fight, but Kelly quickly overwhelms it. She dents its armor. So, if a Spartan II immediatly notices the crappy active camo, can dent the armor, and could have probably killed the Spartan III right there. As such, if a group of Spartan IIs attacked a group of Spartan IIIs, the Spartan IIIs would be overwhelmed so very quickly, it would not even be a fight. [/quote] I'm sure even if there was one Spartan II against two or three Spartan IIIs, the IIIs's would be overwhelmed.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The_4rb1ter The whole point of the spartan III's was to be disposable and cheap.[/quote] Which is why Spartan II's would win.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Litez Spartan III wears EVA armor, and they don't go through the same training as the Spartan IIs' did. Pretty much they are not as strong but the camo makes up for that. [/quote] Actually it is SPI armor. Now, in Ghosts of Onyx, Kelly punches a Spartan III. The Spartan III puts up a slightly good fight, but Kelly quickly overwhelms it. She dents its armor. So, if a Spartan II immediatly notices the crappy active camo, can dent the armor, and could have probably killed the Spartan III right there. As such, if a group of Spartan IIs attacked a group of Spartan IIIs, the Spartan IIIs would be overwhelmed so very quickly, it would not even be a fight.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BlitzBladeX [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos Read Ghosts of Onyx. How many spartans were in each program at the start of the book? How many spartans in each program survived by the end of the book? Which had the better success rate? [/thread][/quote] Well if we're talking success rate in terms of what ONI believes is a success.... Anyways, the Spartan IIIs are the cheaper versions of Spartan IIs. It's no doubt that a Spartan IIs would beat the IIIs. The lone deciding factor would be armor. Shields Vs a crappy version of covenant active camo. But if we're talking outside of armor, the IIIs would win based solely upon their extreme numerical superiority. They have all the same augmentations as the IIs (except thanks to increasing technology, the success rate of said augmentation drugs is now 100%), just their tech is inferior because the UNSC and/or ONI are a bunch of cheap -blam!-s. [/quote] This.
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well spartan IIs had more training and are physically enhanced while spartans IIIs have less armour but more tactics and are in the 100s but still my guess would still be the spartan IIs
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos Read Ghosts of Onyx. How many spartans were in each program at the start of the book? How many spartans in each program survived by the end of the book? Which had the better success rate? [/thread][/quote] Well if we're talking success rate in terms of what ONI believes is a success.... Anyways, the Spartan IIIs are the cheaper versions of Spartan IIs. It's no doubt that a Spartan IIs would beat the IIIs. The lone deciding factor would be armor. Shields Vs a crappy version of covenant active camo. But if we're talking outside of armor, the IIIs would win based solely upon their extreme numerical superiority. They have all the same augmentations as the IIs (except thanks to increasing technology, the success rate of said augmentation drugs is now 100%), just their tech is inferior because the UNSC and/or ONI are a bunch of cheap -blam!-s.
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Weren't Spartan-III's more cost effective as well? I'm just curious since I haven't read some of the books. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sergeant Basil9 i like the idea i wouldn't mind trying as a sparten 3 since they are my favorite i like master chief but i like the idea of a squad that works together.[/quote] Spartan-II's were trained in teams anyway; the Chief is just alone because everyone else died.
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Spartan IIIs were trained as expendable strong soldiers; cheap to make, but somewhat efficient. They didn't have a lot of the super human upgrades, but they weren't meant to be heroes. Spartan IIs are way more powerful, they just weren't cost effective. A Spartan II would probably beat an entire squad of Spartan IIIs any day.
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In the books sending S-III's againsts S-II's would be suicide. The only advantage S-III's have is their camo, which all spartans can see quite clearly. (Or at least Kelly could). S-II's are faster, stronger, have shields, have more experience, and have better training. The whole point of the spartan III's was to be disposable and cheap.
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Spartan III wears EVA armor, and they don't go through the same training as the Spartan IIs' did. Pretty much they are not as strong but the camo makes up for that.
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i like the idea i wouldn't mind trying as a sparten 3 since they are my favorite i like master chief but i like the idea of a squad that works together. How do you plan on having it go for armor since i know some spartens had mark 5 and some had eva like the one on the cover of ghost of onyx. By camouflague do you mean giving the sparten 2's green armor while the sparten 3's have sage? Sorry i'm asking alot of questions i was just curious and maybe it would answer future people's questions if you asnwer mine. Anyway good idea though
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Spartan IIIs rely more on teamwork and tactics, whilst spartan IIs have more thorough training and better armour.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hylebos Read Ghosts of Onyx. How many spartans were in each program at the start of the book? How many spartans in each program survived by the end of the book? Which had the better success rate? [/thread][/quote] ya but i wanna know how good they where in combat
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Read Ghosts of Onyx. How many spartans were in each program at the start of the book? How many spartans in each program survived by the end of the book? Which had the better success rate? [/thread]
