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Edited by Lost Sols: 12/7/2015 3:16:32 AM
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Want to improve factions? Make ALL weapon perks random.

I'm tired of the vendors losing all meaning two weeks into an expansion. Outside of IB week, there's literally no specific Legendary weapon to work towards. Yeah we can grind rep and hope to get lucky on a reward package or we can roll the dice on a Cryptard engram, but it really kills the joy of playing when the reward package is something you don't use for the 7th time in a row or the Cryptard engram decrypts to a 275 hand cannon (ie: 135 marks become 3 marks). Many of us have proposed the idea of rotating vendor stock and although it seems like a fixable issue, for whatever reason, that hasn't become a thing. So I'm suggesting that if rotating stock is not coming off the wish list, that we go with a more Bungie friendly RNG approach (we know you love you some RNG, Bungie). I'd like to see all vendor weapons just listed with stats (impact/RoF/stability/etc) and perks being random on purchase. Seeing as 99% of weapons are random perk drops anyway, I don't see how this could be an issue. I can tell you right now that if this system were in place, I'd have played 3 more days than I did this week. Everything in this game is currently set up to punish the people who invest the most time playing and I just don't understand the thought process going on at Bungie. The game is all about the grind and that's fine when the grind is worth it. But when then end result of our grind doesn't even guarantee us a weapon, let alone the type and perks we're looking for, it becomes less and less worth it with each new sh***y drop. What do you all think? If vendor weapons had random perks, would it make you more apt to play and grind to try to get better versions?

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  • No, this is a bad idea. All it really does is perpetuate the real underlying problems of the game and encourages more and more grinding as if it wasn't already bad enough. Perks are a core mechanic of any weapon or armor. From a designer perspective, they give you a lot of freedom and potential to get really creative with making new things. This was the inherent flaw with Reforge, because if you give the players the ability to just re-roll the perks then you end up decreasing the value of all the gear on an individual level. People would just go and get whatever gun they like best and then spend hours re-rolling to get the ideal perks for it. This system in general also advocates being lazy. The PROBLEM is that Destiny still has an overwhelming lack of content, especially weapons and armor to choose from. It didn't help that they screwed over the Year 1 Gear, either. In a Loot Driven game, there needs to be LOADS of loot. We're talking 100+ Legendary Hand Cannons, Auto Rifles, etc. But instead of giving us that, the developers put out essentially the same content and recycle what is already there. Its ridiculous. "You want more diversity? Well here, we're introducing this new thing where you still get the same number of weapons but now the perks change!" *Crowd proceeds to applaud Bungie even though they did basically nothing at all* That's essentially what this would amount to. [b]Destiny needs to innovate:[/b] https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/157307267/0/0 That is the ONLY way they are going to start fixing the real issues here.

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    • Edited by Slate4906: 11/19/2015 9:20:30 PM
      Wouldn't this simply be the same as reforging? Which they took out the game already

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    • Personally I like the idea of rotating stock better. Would overall be less diversity but the advantage of the vendor weapons has always been easily availability and knowing what you were going to get.

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      • I interestingly thought of something similar to this about the same time you posted this. At first, I thought of the exact same thing. I want a new 1000 yard stare, so instead of buying a special weapon engram from blue, bald headed prick and getting a sidearm that I'll dismantle immediately, why can't I go to the vanguard quartermaster and buy a 1000 yard stare and get random perks on it? I bought the 1 he sells the first week of TTK, so he now serves no purpose until the next DLC? It's not right. Then I realized that people will try to abuse this, like I would, as a "reforging" replacement. I don't know if Bungie wants this. So what I thought of, is why not give more meaning to Armsday? Why is this a gunsmith only event? Why aren't the Factions and quartermasters involved? Mix it up! Get people excited to go check what their faction reps and quartermasters are selling this week! Someone brought up this "decreasing the value of gear". How? This changes the gear out there every week. It literally brings value to faction reps and quartermasters. They're worthless right now, other than delivering you a package when you rank up with a crap reward. Want to talk about a decrease in value? Look at legendary marks. I've bought everything I potentially want already, as I'm sure many others have as well, so literally all my legendary marks go to either planetary materials or cryptarch engrams. That's boring. They have no value. Refreshing the perks on weapons sold at the tower each week gives us a reason to actually use our legendary marks.

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        • I like idea of buying a gun off vendor and it auto randomised my perk roll

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        • Why don't the perks roll on weapons every week and not just weapons armor as well. I would love to have full faction weapons and armor but I don't like there perks that they have and I don't want to rely on RNG to get what it is I really want.

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        • Here's a thought; why not just make an upgrade item that would drop from raids, NF, IB, ToO and weekly crucible bounties. The purpose of the item would be that you apply it to one weapon and then you could [b]choose [/b]the perks you wanted from that weapon's perk table.

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        • I would love for faction weapons to cycle.

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        • I don't even know why I bother ranking up the factions. My rewards are never worth a shit and end up being turned into marks anyway.

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          • I disagree with the solution but not that the problem exists in the first place. Personally, I find the lack of gear astounding. They're shouldn't be less than 50 from each faction. All with amazing and fun perks.

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          • Good point. I have never bought an engram from the Cryptard

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            • I'd be more interested in this. If they did that though, I'd like to see the price of the weapons drop down from 150 marks.

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              • WTF SOLS PLEASE NO. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? BUNGIE DO NOT MAKE VENDOR WEAPONS RANDOM ON PURCHASE I REPEAT BUNGIE DO NOT MAKE VENDOR WEAPONS RANDOM ON PURCHASE

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                • 'I'm tired of the vendors losing all meaning two weeks into an expansion. Outside of IB week, there's literally no specific Legendary weapon to work towards. '' False. Sols. Simply false. I'm playing bo3 this week. But last week I was working towards the vendor stock not like the others with crowd control and reactive reload. And I love it on my gunslinger with chain of woe and gunslingers trance. It has GODLY damage as well as insane stability and reload with the gunslinger perks active. There's also the long far gone, hawksaw, crucible scout and so on and so forth. Many legendaries worth working towards. I would say for once you are wrong but you've been wrong before. Maybe, you're wrong again which is infrequent?

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                  • How's about we earn perks through faction rank, and actual weapon parts(scope barrel, etc..), and can actually customize and build our own weapon.

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                    • I would like to see vendors sell gear at your light level. There are a lot of weapons I would like to try out but getting them to 300 plus by infusing raid drops is just daunting. By selling them at your light level you don't negate most the grind but at least people will attempt to use the other available weapons more.

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                    • Excellent feedback, I support this idea

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                    • If you are saying reforge, hell no! But if you are saying random GUNS AND PERKS every weekly reset we asked it before and Bungie did not care over a year. Why start know? I don't like the idea of random perks, instead they have to sell random guns resets weekly. They can add Vanilla loot into loot table. Think about it, vanguard vendor selling The Devil You Know again, but with this year one stays in year one system that can't happen. Sorry to say but Bungie still don't care because they got your money.

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                      • I completely agree that factions could add depth and enjoyment to the game. Check out the detailed post above.

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                      • Edited by TheShadow: 11/18/2015 2:51:44 PM
                        I dont see the point of buying anything from any of the venders knowing everything is 280. How does this help anyone other then when they first start to level up? By this point most are 300+ at least with 2 characters or close to it. Gear, weapons they both have 20 different light levels to each peace. So knowing that, your loot drops are below your level, you can't buy gear or weapens at your level so whats the point of the venders other then materials and bounties? Thats not including vanguard marks that dont have the content to earn them to reset the cap. Someone will bring up infusion. Ok, your max drop is 300. How offen does that happen? What like evey 500th drop of after getting 499 drops of 280? Your odds in ttk has tripled on ever gear and weapon peace. You delete twice as much as you used to in the previous expansions. The grind has doubled and is not rewarding knowing the venders have quest that drop material and green rewards as a reward for completing them? Endgame content it the only way to reach cap, but dropping normal gear and weapons + material in hard mode with 20 different light levels to each weapon and gear peace. Is no different then wasting time trying to build up vanguard marks and buying 280 stuff just to delete it for glimmer. Vog had one drop and when it dropped you got your weapons and gear you needed. So in all the venders serve no purpose and are a wast of data other then for materials are bounties.

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                      • I'd like to see this for armsday. Random rolls to choose from, instead of the whole community getting the same rolls.

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                        • I don't know why the perks don't rotate, ever. This has irritated me since Vanilla. The vendor gear now serves no purpose for me at 280 light level. But if you guys want it randomized, shit, knock yourselves out. At least there'd be some variety.

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                          • Yeah I'd be super down to spend mark on say the villainy hoping to get headseaker. That'd be dope. Instead of selling the same rolls all the time and just hoping to get a good role on the gun you want thru packages(never happens)

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                            • Oooo a malphisto lost sols argument this should be good!

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