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8/30/2009 2:00:33 PM
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Is Chief Mendez A Spartan I?
Title for Reference.
We all know for example that Sgt. Johnson is a Spartan I, he is a kickass marine and loves the battle. Now also i think that Chief Mendez could be another Spartan I, since he is also another kickass marine and loves fighting and is pretty much fearless like Johnson. I dont know about you guys but i see the traits of a Spartan there. Plus he is a crack shot, even the Spartan II's wonder what type of Spartan II he would have made...
Discuss.
[Edited on 08.30.2009 6:42 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gottalovec4 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 Title for Reference. We all know for example that Sgt. Johnson is a Spartan I, he is a kickass marine and loves the battle. Now also i think that Chief Mendez could be another Spartan I, since he is also another kickass marine and loves fighting and is pretty much fearless like Johnson. I dont know about you guys but i see the traits of a Spartan there. Plus he is a crack shot, even the Spartan II's wonder what type of Spartan II he would have made... Discuss.[/quote] Mendez is in the Navy, not a Marine[/quote] Oh excuse me for my insolence.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 Title for Reference. We all know for example that Sgt. Johnson is a Spartan I, he is a kickass marine and loves the battle. Now also i think that Chief Mendez could be another Spartan I, since he is also another kickass marine and loves fighting and is pretty much fearless like Johnson. I dont know about you guys but i see the traits of a Spartan there. Plus he is a crack shot, even the Spartan II's wonder what type of Spartan II he would have made... Discuss.[/quote] Mendez is in the Navy, not a Marine
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sgt bumlove correct me if I'm wrong but if Sgt forge was a spartan l then in halo wars wouldn't he be suited up because its the spartan l's in halo wars chief Mendez most probably yes[/quote] No, Wolverfrog sayed that Forge was 29 years old, while they were in 2531, and project ORION started in 24...something. So its impossible Forge could be, but while Mendez, its possible but then he would have to be as old as Johnson or more or less.
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correct me if I'm wrong but if Sgt forge was a spartan l then in halo wars wouldn't he be suited up because its the spartan l's in halo wars chief Mendez most probably yes
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Hey, don't give yourself too much credit. I've thought that way ever since I heard of the speculation of Johnson being a Spartan.[/quote] Lol when i first saw the ODST's in Halo2 i thought they were cheaper versions of Spartan's. Looks like my intuition wasent taht wrong when GoO came out.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Havoc 101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 But it would explain why Johnson wanted to be such close friends with John, he had finally discovered an equal. One who shared a part of his pain and grief from being a Spartan.[/quote] This may also explain why Johnson had unlimited respawn in Halo 1.[/quote] Lol, but yeah, maybe he found somene to relate to becouse both of them felt at home in the battlefield.[/quote] Blarg! Don't give sneaky little Ajw there credit for that observation. [quote]"Of course. Ever wonder why I strived so hard to get along with you Chief, despite the fact that behind your back, other Marines shunned you and called you, no offence, a freak of nature? It's because I was glad to see another like me. A newer model, admittedly, but still, I felt a connection." "You mean to say you're a Spartan?" John asked in disbelief.[/quote] Yes, I just quoted a fan fiction. Oorah.[/quote] Hey, don't give yourself too much credit. I've thought that way ever since I heard of the speculation of Johnson being a Spartan.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Havoc 101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 But it would explain why Johnson wanted to be such close friends with John, he had finally discovered an equal. One who shared a part of his pain and grief from being a Spartan.[/quote] This may also explain why Johnson had unlimited respawn in Halo 1.[/quote] Lol, but yeah, maybe he found somene to relate to becouse both of them felt at home in the battlefield.[/quote] Blarg! Don't give sneaky little Ajw there credit for that observation. [quote]"Of course. Ever wonder why I strived so hard to get along with you Chief, despite the fact that behind your back, other Marines shunned you and called you, no offence, a freak of nature? It's because I was glad to see another like me. A newer model, admittedly, but still, I felt a connection." "You mean to say you're a Spartan?" John asked in disbelief.[/quote] Yes, I just quoted a fan fiction. Oorah.[/quote] Told you, damn [i] im good [/i]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Havoc 101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 But it would explain why Johnson wanted to be such close friends with John, he had finally discovered an equal. One who shared a part of his pain and grief from being a Spartan.[/quote] This may also explain why Johnson had unlimited respawn in Halo 1.[/quote] Lol, but yeah, maybe he found somene to relate to becouse both of them felt at home in the battlefield.[/quote] Blarg! Don't give sneaky little Ajw there credit for that observation. [quote]"Of course. Ever wonder why I strived so hard to get along with you Chief, despite the fact that behind your back, other Marines shunned you and called you, no offence, a freak of nature? It's because I was glad to see another like me. A newer model, admittedly, but still, I felt a connection." "You mean to say you're a Spartan?" John asked in disbelief.[/quote] Yes, I just quoted a fan fiction. Oorah.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Havoc 101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 But it would explain why Johnson wanted to be such close friends with John, he had finally discovered an equal. One who shared a part of his pain and grief from being a Spartan.[/quote] This may also explain why Johnson had unlimited respawn in Halo 1.[/quote] Lol, but yeah, maybe he found somene to relate to becouse both of them felt at home in the battlefield.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 But it would explain why Johnson wanted to be such close friends with John, he had finally discovered an equal. One who shared a part of his pain and grief from being a Spartan.[/quote] This may also explain why Johnson had unlimited respawn in Halo 1.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 But it would explain why Johnson wanted to be such close friends with John, he had finally discovered an equal. One who shared a part of his pain and grief from being a Spartan.[/quote] Stop stealing mah conversations from [i]Insurrection![/i] :P
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But it would explain why Johnson wanted to be such close friends with John, he had finally discovered an equal. One who shared a part of his pain and grief from being a Spartan.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog And where did Halopedia get that information from? They're [i]assuming[/i], once again, that since they believe Johnson to be a Spartan I, they think he has to be that age.[/quote] Well Johnson is [i] pretty much [/i] confirmed to be a Spartan I, the evidence is there, all we need is confirmation, and if he were, he's age would then be correct. Maybe he looked younger becouse of some side-affect from the augmentations (Spartan I also had them but not as much as the Series II), like if you remeber in TFoR, Mendez explains that they have unexpected side affects from the augmentation that i cant remember now. But thats just me.
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And where did Halopedia get that information from? They're [i]assuming[/i], once again, that since they believe Johnson to be a Spartan I, they think he has to be that age.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog You know, Sergeant Johnson's name is Avery Johnson [i]Junior[/i]. Is it not more likely that his father is a Spartan I, seeing as his father would be named Avery Johnson too? And that the Sergeant Johnson we all know and love is a Spartan1.1? It would make more sense, since Sergeant Johnson Junior would have to be around 70 years old to be an original Spartan I.[/quote] That does sound correct too, remember Johnson is older then Lord Hood, and how old is he? So its possible he is a Spartan 1 not a 1.1, i stay with Opg theory.[/quote] Older than Lord Hood? Where'd you get that from? Hood is around 80, if not older.[/quote] I forgot where i saw it, ill look for it now, but it said that Johnson's date of birth was before Lord Hood's. So Johnson is older even though it dosent look like that. edit: Here [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Sgt_Johnson] Sgt. Johnson [/url], if you go to the trivia section it says [i]''Johnson was 82 at the time of his death. However, he was physically much younger.''[/i] And it says his date of birth is 2470, while Lord Hood's date of birth is 2492. [Edited on 08.30.2009 10:55 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog You know, Sergeant Johnson's name is Avery Johnson [i]Junior[/i]. Is it not more likely that his father is a Spartan I, seeing as his father would be named Avery Johnson too? And that the Sergeant Johnson we all know and love is a Spartan1.1? It would make more sense, since Sergeant Johnson Junior would have to be around 70 years old to be an original Spartan I.[/quote] That does sound correct too, remember Johnson is older then Lord Hood, and how old is he? So its possible he is a Spartan 1 not a 1.1, i stay with Opg theory.[/quote] Older than Lord Hood? Where'd you get that from? Hood is around 80, if not older.
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Kurt, a SPARTAN II, helped train the SPARTAN III's. It is possible that Mendez is a SPARTAN I. No concrete evidence though.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog You know, Sergeant Johnson's name is Avery Johnson [i]Junior[/i]. Is it not more likely that his father is a Spartan I, seeing as his father would be named Avery Johnson too? And that the Sergeant Johnson we all know and love is a Spartan1.1? It would make more sense, since Sergeant Johnson Junior would have to be around 70 years old to be an original Spartan I.[/quote] That does sound correct too, remember Johnson is older then Lord Hood, and how old is he? So its possible he is a Spartan 1 not a 1.1, i stay with Opg theory.
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The Halopedia page on ORION has been particularly bad. It's a bit better now, but it's still not great. They list Johnson as a member, but the citation is not to a page that actually says he is part of ORION. It also lists Nolan Byrne, even though there's no evidence that he was part of the program. I mean [quote]"They taught you to be a killer, Avery. They taught us both"[/quote] Is not proof of Byrne being in Orion. He could just be talking about the UNSC or military in general, and nowhere in the prologue(where the citation leads to) is ORION mentioned. Now, on to the OP: I could easily see Mendez as a Spartan I. It would make sense to have a One to help train the Twos. We have no real evidence, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was. [quote]Mendez is possible, but Forge isn't. He's only 29 years old, and Halo Wars is set in 2531. Project ORION, the Spartan I project, was shut down in 2506. I doubt Forge became a Spartan I when he was under four years old.[/quote] Are we given his birthday, or just his age? Is it possible that some people don't count time in cryo as part of their age? [quote]You know, Sergeant Johnson's name is Avery Johnson Junior. Is it not more likely that his father is a Spartan I, seeing as his father would be named Avery Johnson too? And that the Sergeant Johnson we all know and love is a Spartan1.1?[/quote] Avery Junior Johnson's service record says he was part of ORION. An ONI agent says he was a Team-leader of a detachment from ORION. It seems unlikely they would really be talking about his dad. [Edited on 08.30.2009 12:20 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog It was speculated, DestructoNome, due to one of the pages in the Halo Graphic Novel.[/quote] But Halopedia confirmed that he is.[/quote] Halopedia isn't official...[/quote] Its the most offcial unofficial Halo Universe page out there, they know what they are talking about. Anyways from what it says in the GN its sounds official, all we need is Bungie to confirm it or the authors.[/quote] Halo Canon i thought was more accurate.
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You know, Sergeant Johnson's name is Avery Johnson [i]Junior[/i]. Is it not more likely that his father is a Spartan I, seeing as his father would be named Avery Johnson too? And that the Sergeant Johnson we all know and love is a Spartan1.1? It would make more sense, since Sergeant Johnson Junior would have to be around 70 years old to be an original Spartan I. [Edited on 08.30.2009 9:11 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 Halopedia is right about this, i mean they had pictures from the HGN, of the conversations.[/quote] I don't doubt it, especially not now that Opog posted. But that relevant information should've been included in your OP, rather than trusting Halopedia without providing sources for your readers. If the sources were provided by you, we wouldn't have had this misunderstanding where you expect us to believe an article from Halopedia without backing it up from canon sources. As for Mendez... a Spartan-II trained the IIIs, I don't see why a I couldn't train the IIs. It's been suggested before, but I don't see a lot of supporting proof in Mendez's case.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lord Snakie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp[/quote] That's... well, that's as close to proof as it can come without outright saying it, I suppose, and I didn't pay attention to that when I was reading... or perhaps I did, and just agreed with your theory more. Regardless, I had forgotten it now. Perhaps Halopedia is right in this instance. Nevertheless, it wasn't ever said outright, just spoken in minor details. A note should be attached to such information that it is inferred, not 100% proven. My remark about Halopedia still stands, I don't trust all of its information and neither should you, even if it was proven mostly correct in this instance.[/quote] Halopedia is right about this, i mean they had pictures from the HGN, of the conversations. And i noticed the ORION references in Contact Harvest, but it dint register untill not that long ago, i have to re-read Contact Harvest. And opogjijijp's theory is correct. Sgt Johnson is a Spartan I, but since we all ready know that (we just need bungie to confirm) is Mendez also one? and i heard something that Sgt. Nolan Brice might also be, he was also a squad leader with Johnson durning operation TREBUCHET
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp[/quote] That's... well, that's as close to proof as it can come without outright saying it, I suppose, and I didn't pay attention to that when I was reading... or perhaps I did, and just agreed with your theory more. Regardless, I had forgotten it now. Perhaps Halopedia is right in this instance. Nevertheless, it wasn't ever said outright, just spoken in minor details. A note should be attached to such information that it is inferred, not 100% proven. My remark about Halopedia still stands, I don't trust all of its information and neither should you, even if it was proven mostly correct in this instance.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DestructoNome Where was it confirmed that Johnson was a SPARTAN I? Yes, I read all the books, but maybe there's something I forgot.[/quote] Contact Harvest: [quote]A few seconds later Avery's service record appeared on the pad. The lieutenants eyes widened as a long list of meritorious citations and battlefield commendations cascaded down the monochromatic screen. [b]ORION,[/b] KALEIDOSCOPE, TANGLEWOOD, TREBUCHET. Dozens of programs and operations, most of which downs had never eve heard of. [/quote] [quote] "48789-20114-AJ,"She said, pulling a COM-pad from her purse and reading from it's screen. "That is your serial number, correct?" Avery's eyes refocused. "Yes ma'am." Suddenly her smile didn't seem so sweet. [b]"Team leader, ORION detachment, NavSpecWar division?"[/b] "With respect, ma'am. That's classified." "I know" [/quote] ORION is the original Spartan program: [quote] In order to deal with increasing civil turmoil the Colonial Military Administration had secretly launched Project ORION back in 2491. The purpose of the program was to develop super soldiers codenamed "Spartans," who would receive special training and physical augmentation. The Initial effort was successful, and in 2517 a new group of Spartans , the II-series, had been selected as the new generation of supersoldier. [/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 But it is almost possible that he is.[/quote] But it isn't proven. It's highly likely, perhaps, but not proven. You can't just state something like it's fact when it's [i][b]not[/b][/i] [quote]And most of the things taht are on Halopedia are true, just not all of it.[/quote] At best, Halopedia should be a quick reference, not a source of information. You should already [i]know[/i] about the material and merely use Halopedia to confirm your suspicions. Even then, however, you should always take everything there with a grain of salt; as you've just seen, not everything is factual.
