Copy/pasted from [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/169921880]here[/url]. [b] Regarding the "Ahamkara = worms," theory[/b] In the "I'd Shut Them In Cells" card, Xivu Arath says "our gods should be ours alone." Some of you might interpret this as the Ahamkara being the gods (and thus Ahamkara being the worms), and also interpret the subject of Xivu Arath's anger as the civilization of the Harmony system that get their wishes granted by the Ahamkara. I disagree with this view. 1) When Xivu Arath is speaking, she names the subject in all capital letters, and then gives her thoughts on the subject in subsequent sentences. For example: [quote]SAVATHÛN. The Deceitful Sister will be distracted by arcana and the song of the black hole. Treat her broods with contempt. THE TRAVELER. We chase it and we will devour it. The Deep will rule the cosmos.[/quote] likewise, in the part with DRAGONS in all caps, the dragons (Ahamkara) are the subjects [quote][b]THE DRAGONS[/b]. Our gods should be ours alone. [b]Their[/b] smug freedom is an insult to me. I’d shut [b]them[/b] all in cells. Bring [b]them[/b] to me![/quote] Substitute the subject (THE DRAGONS) for the ambiguous pronouns (their, them), and it's clear that the Dragons are the ones angering Xivu Arath for also worshiping her gods. 2) In the "Gift Mast" card, this happens: [quote]Next arrives Savathûn, flanked by her chorus and her celebrants. They trick their way onto Ana-Harmony in disguises, so that they might vivisect these dragons. The Worm our God laughs and laughs.[/quote] Vivisection is to cut something open while it's alive for the purpose of studying it. If the Ahamkara and the worms were the same, there would be no need to study them because Savanthun would already be familiar with them. 3) If the Ahamkara were the worms, there would be no reason for the Hive to suddenly refer to them as dragons when the term "worms" suffices.

Could the Ahamkara be the new form the dragons take after "ingesting" a worm? Similar to how the Hive and Xi Ro, Aurash and Sathona all changed after their pact with the worms.

Why do the gods laugh ? Do they know the hive can not beat them?

Maybe. I'm thinking it's either because A) The worm gods knows that Ahamkara don't really die, as we guardians learned from their magic talking bones. B) It's especially entertaining to see two different species that worship them fight over them.

Wait... what if Oyrx is saying that the Ahamkara worship the Worms too? And he's pissed that another creature worships his gods?

No, he's saying that these dragons are being worshipped by the people of the gift mast, because in the following cards they call upon their wish dragons. Their Ahamkara are the precursor darkness ones

what card is that? I don't think I have it