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8/15/2009 6:23:47 AM
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Halo 4, In plain sight. (I was at least part right)

This is an old ass thread from a couple years ago, before ODST even came out. Some has been proven wrong, by Halo 4 has been announced. Now we just have to wait and see how accurate my theory holds to be. _________________________________________ The new addition has been made to the second post. It involves Halo Legends (and now Waypoint), and what it means. (Look for the new link near bottom!) I would like to direct your attention first on the last terminal. If accessed on normal difficulty. [quote] archv.> 28335.67204.85720:[retr] archv.> 28335.67204.85720:[proc] archv.> 28335.67204.85720:[proc] archv.> 28335.67204.85720:[catERR] > CONN. > . > . > NO. THERE IS MORE. > BUT YOU ARE NOT WORTHY. > . > . > NOT YET. > . > . X.XX.713> ghost.713/non-auth/... X.XX.713> refl[/quote] Most of us assume being worthy meant accessing the terminal on Legendary. This is to me plain out wrong. On every other terminal if accessed at different difficulties, you will see different messages about the same thing, or different perspectives of the same event. Also it makes no logical sense because you need not kill anything to reach the last terminal. In Legendary it holds the following message to the player from Mediciant himself. [quote] You don't know the contortions I had to go through to follow you here, Reclaimer. I know what you're here for. What position do I take? Will I follow one betrayal with another? You're going to say I'm making a habit of turning on my masters. But the one that destroyed me long ago, in the upper atmosphere of a world far distant from here, was an implement far cruder than I. My weakness was capacity - unintentional though it was! - to choose the Flood. A mistake my makers would not soon forgive. But I want something far different from you, Reclaimer. Atonement. And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions. But I would have my masters know that I have changed. And you shall be my example. [/quote] Now this is very important. The first part. What did he have to do to get there? Does [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=33381763]this[/url] answer your question? I couldn't fit it in here. Now I believe that thread is completely logical, and a master piece onto itself. Now the [i] very [/i] important part. [quote]The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe.[/quote] The path ahead? what path? And why is it fraught with peril? Could this have something to do with you not being "worthy" yet? Next important part. [quote]But I would have my masters know that I have changed.[/quote] Masters being forerunners. Now we know the forerunners disappeared, they had the Ark, and shield worlds, yet those are all mysteriously empty. I find the fact that there where trillions of forerunners, yet not 1 made it to the shield worlds (probably located inside the "line"). The logical conclusion? They [i] did [/i] make it in, and out.... [quote]I will begin our Great Journey without you, carrying this bitter record. Those who came after will know what we bought with this [false transcendence] - what you bought, and the price you paid.[/quote] So how could MB's masters know he has changed? Unless he knows where they are and plans to use the Master chief as an example that he has learned the error of his ways. The covenant knew of some kind of "great journey". They thought that if the rings where activated this would happen. What has begun to recently be thought of (thanks wolverfrog) is that Truth [i] knew [/i] more than we thought he did (can someone place link to that?). Now in Halo 3 on those holo-panel things truth says things such as "here we will be safe from Halo's fire!". Could it be possible that Truth learned more from MB about the rings? That they wipe out life and somehow initiate a "journey' of some kind? Could there be Truth to it after all?. "the best place to put a lie is in between two Truths" And vice versa. Did the Forerunners actually leave the galaxy to its own fate? Embarking on a journey for truth? enlightenment? This requires more evidence. But we will get to that latter. For now I want to support the Mediciant Bias theory. I believe that Mediciant is inside of Cortana and chief. This is how she knows of replacement rings and the Ark. [quote]////////////error////////////[restart search] search:[[error]].no search started. .error. *SEARCH TERMINATED! ONI.SEC.PRTCL.1A 05-032 :allow access. 0452-9 :no way. 05-032 :.please.need safe haven.offensive,the other.purpose complete.does not know. 0452-9 : what are you talking about. 05-032 : .he is here.stronger than i.cannot fight.he will not stop.rampancy.rampancy.rampancy0452-9///[[cut transmission]]\\\[/quote] Cortana chatting with MB at end of Halo 2. He wants access to escape from Offensive who has managed to survive all these years somehow. She must have allowed access. Now more supporting evidence, from an unlikely source. The Cortana Letters. [quote]Thanks to this slavishly loyal and humorless AI, I am now sharing cramped [u]space with the circuitry of some hybrid war machine,[/u] itself complicated by such useless clutter as a conscience. I do not like sharing. Sharing is for children.[/quote] The AI is Cortana, the Hybrid war machine is Chief. This may have holes such as being made before Halo 1. But could Bungie have had something in mind when they started the series? The only thing we can be sure of is that there is to much to be a coincidence. [quote]The Mantle has not failed! I've already razed scores of worlds - sterilized systems, routed and [disintegrated] the parasite! We're learning its tricks and strategies. We can halt this thing! And we can follow in [u]Their [/u]footsteps! There are no unstoppable forces in this universe. There are no immovable objects. Everything gives if you push hard enough. [/quote] Note "We can halt this thing! And we can follow in [i]There[/i] footsteps! Could the forerunner believe in a similar concept that the Precursors made some kind of journey? Similar to that of the covenant worshiping the forerunners? Could there be some Tru7h to there philosophy after all? Did the forerunners after firing the Array repopulate the galaxy with life and left it to grow on its own? No doubt they wouldn't have had the man power and go around and collect all there lost ships and cities etc. MB's picies would have been left scattered. But then the question is, where did the Forerunner [i] go? [/i]. Again the last terminal. "The path ahead". The mysterious legendary planet. Now there is much evedince that MB controlled the portal and changed the coordinates. The forerunner say themselves: [quote]The anomalous world is in a perilous location beyond the line. The secrets it holds must be preserved, plans within plans within plans. The inhabitants; these unique denizens, must be researched. They may hold answers to our own mysteries. What irony that we discovered this treasure, only at the end of things. But what fortune that we still had time to save them. The thing we built on that world will vouchsafe their lives, but perhaps one day it will be used for its intended purpose. If the plan succeeds, and they are saved, it will be a good world. If the plan fails, and the adversary succeeds, it will remain an enigma forever with no one left to reclaim it.[/quote] Again note "The thing we built on that world will vouchsafe their lives, but perhaps one day it will be used for its intended purpose.". That thing is the portal. It would save us by transporting us to the Arc. Now multiple portals where probably built in key planets. All to transport to the Arc. But for some reason where "special". We have similar DNA to forerunner, evedince (however little) shows that we had similar body shape and especially feelings and emotions. The relation ship between Didact and the librarian stands testament. We where remarkably similar in many ways. The letter mentions the ark saving us, and another purpose. The portals "true" purpose is where the forerunner (at least some) went. A place probably precursor. Outside the galaxy, some kind of cloud of stellar debri. What could it be? Who knows. Nothing seems to let on what the "Great journey" is in truth. Also note in the last message "nobody there to reclaim it". If we are going to reclaim it, it means we where there before. And considering our similarities with the forerunners could we possibly have a common ancestor? Could this lead to a possible Halo 3 squeal? Not a Halo 4 but a sequel none the less. Something to think about. Also a late note. It seems the Forerunner left the galaxy to us. There technology and knowledge. It looks like we weren't supposed to find the portal until we where "worthy". Ready for the knowledge and Legacy that came with it. (Continues) [Edited on 07.30.2011 2:39 PM PDT]

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  • I think it should be started with Master Chief being found by some live forrunners.

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  • Excellent thread, thanks for sharing. I am a little unsure of the role Offensive Bias has in your theory. As I am snowed in on a buisiness trip and away from my Halopedia, I recall that OB's current status is 'unknown'. OB, as I recall, served two primary functions: defeat MB, then defeat the Flood after the rings fired. Having done this, OB disappears. It seems logical to me that the Forerunners, knowing that MB turned on them, not only created OB to defeat MB, but also altered their own plans for escape/Great Journey just in case MB defeated OB. Therefore, MB's only link to the Forerunners IS OB. Is it possible that MB's goal, at the end of H3, is to deliver Master Chief to OB as a sign of his repentance? Or possibly the planet is the beginning of the 'dangerous path' to OB? Just a thought. Great post:)

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zaks Back Sorry to tell you bud, but as much as i wish this was true, there cant be. Because if you look on the back of the halo 3 case it says "end of the triagy" which means that the story of Master Chief 117 is over. thats why they came out with ODST and REACH which takes place before everything when the sparten program was still opperational.[/quote] Doesnt meaan 343 can't continue it? Can't contiune MC story? Nice read btw. I deffinatly think MB has implanted imself somehow within Cortana. Remember he was ripped apart and part of him was sent to the prophets, then implanted into high charity. then was put aboard the forerunner keyship. Then again shiped to the Ark where is was reuinited with his other half. Where he become full again. Somebody said something about Cortana also being infected by MB in the level Two Betrayals. That's impossible MB wasn't on intillation 04. He was in HC. I believe he closed the portal on MC, but what I'm very curious about is... why? What purpose is there to this? To show his creators he changed? No. That wouldn't make a very good video game. lol

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  • Sorry to tell you bud, but as much as i wish this was true, there cant be. Because if you look on the back of the halo 3 case it says "end of the triagy" which means that the story of Master Chief 117 is over. thats why they came out with ODST and REACH which takes place before everything when the sparten program was still opperational.

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  • Something just clicked into place-and I think its important that I mention it. In Agustus's link about Halo Legends: Origins Part 2, I watched it through again, especially during the ending where something was depicted for 1 second. When, under Cortana's eye (which changed from red, to the core panel seen in Halo Wars, then the Forerunner/Precursor symbol, THEN to the halo ring), the halo ring collapsed, fro a split second, though I'm unable to figure out of there was a coded message, a LINE was formed with what looked to be like white boxes and symbols. There was one other thing to note: when refering to firing the halo ring(s), the term used is to "light it," like when lighting a torch or a FLAME. Do you see where I'm going with this? Secondly, I may have been imagining it, but the post-ending with the "legendary planet" seemed to light up as well right when the star blinded our view. Is there a Precursor symbol here as well? Cortana stated, in the trailer, that "this was the way the world ends"--which world? Guilty Spark assumed that the Ark was part of a series of SHIELD INSTALATIONS, but then believed he was wrong. Is he really right? What is the symbolism of an ark? Why does the shields have sharpened edges? What is the purpose of Sword and Shield? Why "Covenant?" Think about it. This isn't a coincidence. Find the path. __________________________ Voicing my own opinion, I do not believe that there would be an amazing sequel to Halo 3. In the trilogy, a climax was reached at the end of Halo 2-as we all know-and I find that it was fitting John never returned to Earth in Halo 3. But what is left to work with? No flood (partially- the gravemind is dead, but other colonies may still exist) and no Human-Covenant war (the fighting is finally over and peace resumes). The only thing that I can think of, which would not detract from the story, is where we discover what happens to John, though it would be more like an afterward than a plot continuation. Another war would be too much of a stretch, since a second conflict would diminish the importance of the first, and the allegory (yes, it is one, but not of a very grand scale) would be ruined. Some things that detract from the arguement: The last segment of the Halo 3 OST of the campaign is named "Greatest Journey" suggesting that the race to the frigate was such.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TallestSpark [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cameo_cream Possibly. The theory is very probable. I myself have always believe that we are if not directly linked somehow tot he forerunners. We will just have to wait and see if a book dating back to before the war comes out....[/quote] we aren't linked to Forerunners, we just have similar DNA. In fact, the Forerunners almost exterminated us completely. Source - Cryptum.[/quote] Our DNA is somewhat shared, and is almost exactly alike. Source - Cryptum.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cameo_cream Possibly. The theory is very probable. I myself have always believe that we are if not directly linked somehow tot he forerunners. We will just have to wait and see if a book dating back to before the war comes out....[/quote] we aren't linked to Forerunners, we just have similar DNA. In fact, the Forerunners almost exterminated us completely. Source - Cryptum.

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  • Possibly. The theory is very probable. I myself have always believe that we are if not directly linked somehow tot he forerunners. We will just have to wait and see if a book dating back to before the war comes out....

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  • halo started with master chief........it should end with master chief!!!! simple as that

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x0G33K0x Nice, and well researched. Since ODST and Reach are both prequels, and Bungie clearly (gladly) hasn't put the brakes on the Halo series yet, even after leaving Microsoft and all that, it does seem very possible. The bean counters will like it too, everyone knows that anything that has "Halo" in the title sells well.[/quote] Bungie is done with halo. Get over it. 343i is taking the reins now.

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  • I agree with the theory(now we'll see if 343 or SOMEBODY will confirm this theory) when I read it it kinda blew my mind (think Assassin's Creed mind blown) and it just fits, lets hope it happens, and hopefully the game will come out this year(YOU BETTER NOT SCREW IT UP,343,AND YOU TOO, MICROSOFT!) amazing theory, bro [Edited on 01.20.2011 1:35 PM PST]

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  • If your theories are right which in the current time they are playing out to be right Halo is about to get a whole lot sweeter than it already is and thats awsome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Dammm ,your the only one in tha world that search far deep..

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  • Nice read, but I honestly got lost after reading lol. Could you add a tl;dr to the OP? Or could someone give me a good summary?

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  • whoah! hold on a second! if the portal on earth leads to somewhere else with a portal (Ie: The Ark) and the portals work both ways (ie: Foward unto Dawn from Earth to Ark-> Ark to Earth) wouldn't there have to be a corresponding portal to wherever the portal(s) lead to. The point i'm getting to is how in the world did the chief get througth the portal without a corresponding portal near the legendary planet? Wouldn't that mean that there must be another massive (forerunner?) portal installation in deep space somewhere?

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  • Mind = Blown

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] borrowedchief You sir are amazing. Whether this is true or not, it is believable. Great job =)[/quote] Yeah Seriously ! Verry good Job

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  • This is unblieveable,i mean really dude, truly epic info. This does make since, the bonus ending in halo 3 showed John's ship flowing to some forerunner world, well I sure as hell dont believe they fought the first halo ring with a random jump through slip space and blind luck, well maybe some luck, but to point is that the major events flowing after were to closly related, the prophets freaked when the first halo was destoryed, which lead the premature attack on earth-stright to the ark- this which goes back to that unknown info that truth had, anyway what gets me is that their was a planet near the ark and the ark was build on the rim , why is their a planet on the rim of the milky way? could the forerunner be thier waiting for John?

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  • nothig but awesome awesome totally AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • This is amazing.I have been putting (what others say to much) alot of thought into all of the tiny details of the Halo Universe and have never been able to come up with such a clean, irresistable to read thread. I can actualy peice all my notes and evidence that I have come to gain over the past 4 years to your magnificent theory and it all makes perfect sense. I would love to follow up on you with this to discuss some of the topics and clues that I have come to ponder endlessly about over the years. Please message me.

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  • man you really did your homework on this.Half the things you put on there i never heard of till i search it up.I really knew i wasnt the only one who begged for halo 4 or at least a sequel. well again good job I too hope they put jun in there to.I think i heard somewhere that in one of the books it tells of a spartan that escaped and is hiding on an unknown planet hope they biring it up there is so much questions to be answered so much answers to be explained...Well just hope they listen to the fan-base right halo fans [Edited on 01.03.2011 4:54 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] borrowedchief You sir are amazing. Whether this is true or not, it is believable. Great job =)[/quote]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lag90 either way, I really hope that they pick up were 3 left off, as a side note, even though Jun would be very old, i hope that they(343) include him as a part of the next addition, possible an onyx type stealth game?[/quote]And btw, the events before halo ce-halo 3 (I.E. Reach) would literally be around 2 weeks-half a year later. So idk why you would think Jun would be old.

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  • Well it would be by 343 if a new one came out. BUT there is one thing you should know about. [url=http://www.halopedian.com/Halo_Story_Bible]Halo Story Bible[/url] They could use it I guess.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Arbiduck That is just Mendicant Bias speaking the the Master Chief, telling him he seeks atonement for dooming the forerunners, and risking the Galaxy. As for the "YOU ARE NOT READY, NOT YET" It's simply telling you to come back on legendary difficulty to read the full message. I think what he means with "Fraught with peril" and "Holding it together" implies he is trying to hold the Halo ring together as you escape, that is why there is a path you an follow to escape.[/quote]It can be seen as this. "Fraught with peril," Johnson's death, and "Holding it together,"as he said earlier, a path to your ship (and possibly the portal).

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  • if she did know then she probably would not have told anyone [Edited on 12.23.2010 9:32 PM PST]

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