[b]Again I am not comparing supers alone but entire classes. I think we all know HoS is all around a cut above the rest. However Sunbreakers pvp game outside of the super is weaker than the other new classes. [/b] [u]To the ones saying how Sunbreaker is already doing better than the old Subclasses all I have to say is, stop cherry picking. All the new subclasses are doing better than the old subclasses. Nightstalkers are actually exceeding Sunbreakers. The difference between Sunbreakers and Storm callers overall is also negligable. So I'll reiterate, STOP CHERRY PICKING. [/u][b] BTW if you are going to claim that I am cherry picking at least explain what I am missing. I'll be more than happy to accommodate. If you don't respond to my question asking for clarification I can't even take you seriously as anything more than someone grasping at straws. [/b] [b]Maybe I wasn't clear enough but for those who still don't get it I am not opposed to nerfing HoS. However that said one way or another the Sunbreakers super and abilities outside of its super need to be brought on the same level of the other classes. I can see it both ways. Keep the better super and the worse overall class abilities or make the super and class abilities on the same level as the other new classes. If you just want a straight up nerf and keep the Sunbreakers neutral game as sub-par than I cannot agree with you. [/b] When we kept showing that Sunbreakers were getting the least ability (super included) kills everyone kept crying saying that it had nothing to do with how well the class was doing K/D wise. That said it does look like Sunbreakers are catching up super wise and maybe are doing a little bit better than Nightstalkers with their super given the population difference. However Sunbreakers have the worst K/D for pvp of the new subclasses. Look at destiny tracker>tools>dtr population stats. http://destinytracker.com/destiny/population (Yes Nightstalkers and Sunbreakers are skewed due to glitches. However Stormcallers are still beating out/tying with Sunbreakers even though they don't have a glitch [that we know of] point being made that Sunbreakers are actually fairly balanced.) They may have a great super but it appears that, that only makes up for the rest of the class. [spoiler] Dont even say that the worst players go Titan. Competitive players only go for the best.[/spoiler] Its funny how many in the community say just wait till Bungie gets their information then we'll see how OP Sunbreaker really is!! Once statistics on the K/D's come out from Destiny Tracker its all, wait... that can't be right... Well Correlation does not equal Causation. Titans just suck :D But you decide for yourselves. Even with this http://youtu.be/Tg8B4R3zRuo Sunbreakers are still doing worse. Maybe a nerf to the super is justified. But in that case I'd think a buff to their neutral game would be a MUST. [u] For those of you saying that the difference between Sunbreaker and Stormcaller is negligable, THANK YOU!! You get it! Sunbreaker can't be op if its doing the same with the other classes. [/u] Heres another site. Not sure if its Xbox exclusive or not but they claim to use a greater population to run their statistics. http://guardian.gg/ So according to this Sunbreaker and Gunslinger are tied with Storm caller and Blade dancer a little bit behind. (K/D wise). If Sunbreaker gets nerfed so should Gunslinger at the very least. That said maybe the only way to satisfy the whiners is just to simply redesign the whole Sunbreaker class. The reason I mentioned Gunslinger is because they have been getting a superior K/D for a year now. Now that Titans get a class with the same K/D in less than 3 days many people are already saying nerf it! Don't you see the double standard? [b]Notice I never said GG and HoS but Gunslinger and Sunbreaker.[/b] If you bring the super down to the other classes levels then you should bring the neutral game back up to the other classes levels.