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11/1/2015 6:40:05 PM
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"I suck at PvP but I'm amazing at PvE"
I want to clear this up, because for the last year this has been something I've heard a lot from pve'ers and with Trials approaching the discussion has been looming around the forums.
This statement has always puzzled me. If you are bad at the one thing that actually requires skill in this game, what could honestly lead me to believe that I should trust you on my raid team? If you can't hit the backside of a barn in a pvp encounter, what should lead me to believe that you can take out your ogre and knight?
I'm asking these questions out of sheer curiosity as this has been something I've always been puzzled by. It would be like saying, "I have no social skills but I'm really good at picking up chicks."
The best pvp'ers are also most of the time the best pve'ers. They might not necessarily enjoy pvp and they might call themselves pve'ers but they can damn sure hold their own in pvp. And vice versa.
I would rather a talented pvp'er on my raid team who has never raided before than someone on my raid team who says, "I'm awful at pvp but I'm amazing at pve."
Edit: So far I'm hearing 2 things being said,
1) I've played pve with some amazing pvp players and they were absolutely terrible. My response to this is simply that they must not have been as good at pvp as you thought they were. Anyone who is indeed "amazing" at pvp will no doubt easily be able to take on artificial intelligent.
2) you can't compare pvp to pve. Why not? The only argument I hve seen is that pve has hordes of enemies whereas pvp you are only facing a max of 6 people at a time. And to that, I have to say I disagree with the argument. 6 real human beings vs. 20 dregs. I would vote that the 20 dregs would be easier to kill 100 out of 100 times.
Edit 2: It's funny to see how salty some of you are getting. Please refrain from getting your panties in a damn bunch. I'm simply pointing out a large observation I have noticed throughout Y1 of destiny and sharing my opinion. No need to come in here saying the reason you suck is completely due to lag. That's just a bad look and honestly supports my opinion in a way.
TL/DR: I've now read multiple comments that said something along the lines of, "I carried the guys through POE/Raids who carried me to the lighthouse."
I'm sorry if this sounds rude or comes off as close minded, but Trials of Osiris is easily the toughest, most competitive content in the game, given that nothing is extremely difficult in this game, I find it actually quite silly that someone would say they carried someone through the easiest content in the game, who carried them through the toughest content in the game. I guess what I was trying to say with this post is that pvp players are better at pve than just regular old pve players. And it's apparent that regular pve players are having a very hard time accepting that.
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I find it amusing that you came onto a message board to complain, about people who complain about an arbitrary statement that really has nothing to contribute to discourse about destiny skill levels in two completely different game modes. Your basically perpetuating the exact attitude and behavior that, according to your post, seems to be something of an irritant to you. I'm not gonna waste anyone's time with my opinion on that statement, but I will say, "Good for you." Hopefully this post gives you whatever you were seeking by posting it. Moving on.
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I think it is obvious that PvE and PvP are different and that some people are better at raids and strikes than PvP and vice versa
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Or just be good at both and not bitch about the other side :) Honestly, if the skill doesn't match up to their words kick em. No point having a person like that in your fireteam
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I play PVE a majority of the time. I'll PVP usually for the mark grind. I only get heavy into PVP when Iron Banner comes around. Never attempted Trials.
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I enjoy pve more over pvp. Literally the only pvp i play is trials because i goof around with friends and try to have fun. Way too many people take this game too seriously
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This is clearly bait.
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If you're a beast at pvp, you're also a beast in pve for obvious reasons.
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Went flawless multiple times I was the game winning clutch even got the yellow medal on my Titan to prove it I keep a decent pvp K/D and I'm almost always 20-30+ kills and top of leader boards That being said I'm also kind of a monster in pve activities even though I favor pvp (more challenging less predictable enemy movements etc.) my friends don't touch raids or iron banner without me not only do I make it fun but I can build a strategy on the spot that works about 70-89% of the time So I agree with OP honestly I used to think one of my friends was amazing at pve just horrible at pvp later I realized he was only that good because he didn't do shit in the raids everyone did it for him so I don't believe your bad at one good at the other And if you are add me on ps4 mez-crippin I'll help you round them edges (;
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Pve and pvp are very different. One requires twitch reflexes and quick response, the other requires precision and communication. Plus, Pve encounters are structured so that they rarely ever change, while pvp encounters are never the same
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People have a hard time accepting what you are saying because it is arrogant and it is untrue. What it takes to make a good PvE player at complex co-op activities is DIFFERENT than what it takes to make a good PvP in small-team play. While the GUN SKILLS and MOVEMENT skills carry over from PvP to PvE....not much else does. SOME PvP players make good PvE players....but alot of good PvP players are arrogant know-it-alls who don't play well with others in PvE, and are a burden to their teams in strikes and raids. Some PVE players also have the fast reflexes and quick decision abilities that can make you a good PvP player. But to say that all PvP players are better at pve than PVe players are, is lazy, sloppy, arrogant....and wrong. ...and I'm someone who plays BOTH...and is telling you that you are flat-out wrong.
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Agreed
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You do realize that pve never changes. the timing, add spawns, and cover spots are always the same. Most times in pve if your health gets low you can hide with no problems. Pve is a lot easier than pvp once you learn the mechanics.
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I'm not awful at pvp, but have simply played so little on some of the maps that I don't have the same map awareness that I do in most pve activities. Also, I play defender Titan in pve, am good at timing/ placing my bubble to help my team, and the skills of a defender Titan don't translate that effectively to throwing hammers at targets that move very differently.
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32 RepliesEdited by bren12310: 11/2/2015 1:26:12 AMIgnore this Just an idiot passing through Edit: Stop bumping this
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They're the same... Map awareness, power positions, and smart movement. These 3 things are all what destiny will always be... Hard scoping a door in PvP is the same as waiting for an enemy spawn with a sword ready. Shooting a weapon at a guardian and an acolyte are the same thing. They run aimlessly around and hide behind things when they get scared. Dodging a super is no harder than dodging a line rifle from a vandal or a blinding orb from a taken captain. Destiny doesn't take skill it takes awareness and ability to get yellow number when you shoot something.
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PvP needs map "awareness" and reaction time more than PvE. PvE needs pattern recognition and repetitions improve gameplay overall.
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Weeeeeell, so far I have died four times in the raid (not counting team wipes, of which I've caused two). I'm definitely above average in crucible nowadays but in there I have bad days. I'm always on point in PvE.
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1 ReplyEdited by Mesozoic: 11/1/2015 9:38:46 PMI agree with most of your points. The only thing I will say one way or the other is this.... When I am in PvP I am usually a follower. I follow someones commands to help me be a better player and support my team to the fullest. I am usually the guy in PvP with a 1.0 KD and a ton of assists. I try to play as a team as much as possible. In a PvE/Raid setting I am always the leader making all the call outs and making sure everyone is where they should be at any given moment and they know exactly what will happen next. I have played with people in PvP that are beasts and can call everything out as it happens but needs thier hands held through raids to know what to do....also the opposite. MOST PvP heavy players spend all of thier time in PvP so thier awareness is spot on. But they don't take the time to know all of the best strats and positioning for raids. Most PvE players spend thier time helping others in raids even if they can't get loot anymore. So they know it inside and out. But they don't get the PvP practice they need. It is all a playstyle thing man. I promise you I will lead a better more unified raid than most very good PvP players and I promise you they will lead a crucible match better than I will.
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Aside from my AI comment earlier, I've always been a hardcore pvp player since windows xp was new all the way up to the games of today and the majority of the time in nearly every game I'm a top player in pvp and then when it comes to pve I'm always a great player. Now destiny I have a hard time finding a raid team so I haven't done oryx all the way through yet, but within two or three wipes I have the mechanics down just as good as the guy "carrying" me that's done oryx 30 times and a few on hard already. Pve isn't hard and until they add real AI like the chappie AI it will be obvious to any long time gamer that pvp is always more difficult than pve.
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I'm not great at pvp, but I don't "suck" either. Did you ever stop to think that maybe some people don't have that great of internet? I shouldn't have to explain this but, pvp is 90% internet capabilities and 10% skill in this game. PvE on the other hand isn't affected as much by bad internet connection. Usually it only affects the one person that has connection issues. Pvp in this game s affected by everyone in the match's internet. I have lots of friends that are absolute killers in pve, but average about a 1.0 - 1.5 k/d in pvp. You take a beast mode pvper in a raid he's never done and see how well he does. Raids aren't about kills, they're about mechanics. Not even aimbots can help you beat raids if you don't understand the mechanics.
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But what if those dregs had the arc burn and light switch modifier on hmmmmmmm
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Agreed. back when I played proper MMO's I'd pug with PvP'ers any day. The situational awareness required by top Arena PvP'ers - and foremost tanks and healers - blows raid awareness out of the water. In this game I think there's less of a gap though - but it's still present.
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I can hit the targets in pve because they don't jump around like hyperactive 12 year olds hopped up on lsd and more crack than sonic.
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1 ReplyMy favorite one is where PvE players whine about PvP getting their weapons nerfed. I mean, is PvE that -blam!-ing difficult that minor tweaks to a gun make it completely unplayable? Honestly?
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You can't compare the two. You are only comparing gun skill which is not the only factor. Each varient requires different strategies and positioning. Some may be more strategic in crucible than pve and vice versa.
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PvP players make the best PvE players.
