Then bad luck for having fled up people in your team because I've done both strategies and haven't screwed up yet.

[quote]Then bad luck for having fled up people in your team because I've done both strategies and haven't screwed up yet.[/quote] I doubt you haven't screwed up yet because that sentence is screwed up.

At least I'm not a narrow minded person like you.

Lmao I definitely don't struggle on normal and I don't struggle with Knights. And there's no more to risk as long as your team knows what to do and you know how to jump. The reason people get killed by ogres is because when they get up top they want to stand on the edge of the platform while getting shot instead of getting in the middle out of harms way until the relic runner gets up there. We did two whole hard raids yesterday and timed them at an hour and twenty minutes both times from start to finish. The only wipe we had the whole raid was at oryx and we only wiped once at him both times. So no sir I don't struggle at all my friend

I guess you didn't understand what I was saying. When I say normal runs on oryx I mean the normal strategy, not the "I'm a puss who can't kill a knight" strategy, and of course on hard mode. You know, actually killing the ogres and knights.

Well I don't think you understand what I'm saying. It's not hard to kill a knight but when you don't have to then why would you? It's just like not killing the boomers on crota so the wizard doesn't spawn. One of the people doing it with us was his first time even doing hard and was a 308. It's so easy it's almost boring at times. If you're getting killed by ogres while trying to do it then you're doing it wrong

[quote]Well I don't think you understand what I'm saying. It's not hard to kill a knight but when you don't have to then why would you? It's just like not killing the boomers on crota so the wizard doesn't spawn. One of the people doing it with us was his first time even doing hard and was a 308. It's so easy it's almost boring at times. If you're getting killed by ogres while trying to do it then you're doing it wrong[/quote] Alright, I'll put it this way, teaching people a strategy that may get patched (it's possible they change it so that knights spawn on a timer) does nothing to help you out in the future. It is easier to kill ogres and knights and avoid the chance of an ogre booking it around a platform and killing someone, along with any other way that doing that strategy can kill people (oryx, vessel and knights on bombs). Killing the knights uses up 2 sniper shots, which you are most likely only using on knights and shade anyway. Leaving ogres alive can wipe runs.