[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa [quote][b]Posted By:[/b] hotshot revan II -There are two scenerios with this: 1)Somehow during the battle when the UNSC desperatley needed every ship they can have to combat the covies and yet they use a few of them just to being down the Autumn?Doesn't makes any sense 2)Most likely what happened in the game:The autumn never fought in space combat it was all the time on ground(Halsey said on the 29th that autumn was already waiting) .This ruins canon as well because who did dropped blue team at the spacestation?What happened with Red Team?.... Linda doesn't dies,James neither,no Red team jump,.... Canon=destroyed[/quote] 1. I believe that Kit probably wasn't talking Ship of the Line combat sort of ships, probably something small and like those rocket tugships we saw getting the Autumn off the ground. 2. Halsey did not say it was already waiting for them, she it [i]will[/i] be awaiting their arrival. If it was on the ground all along then (which I highly doubt) then Red Team simply got to the generators a different way, and all those except the survivors in FS died/went MIA defending them, nothing ruined there. If the Circumference Op never happened, then Linda either dies a different way, or just doesn't die at all and is put with Red Team along with James. [quote] -No just no. It hasn't anything to do with just dates. Explain me how Halsey was talking to the sII's during the operation red flag briefing on the 27th of august. And SWORD base was occupied by the covies at the 23th as well.Said by Jun as well. So please tell me how did Halsey talked with her sII's on the 27th if she was stuck in sword base between the 14th and 29th of August??? [/quote] Video Conference? :P But seriously, either Red Flag briefing didn't happen, or it was [i]earlier[/i] than the book said. Jun never mentions anything about SWORD Base except his exclamation about "The Covenant own it now!" when they're told about the Torch and Burn Op. [quote]The month long battle is BS.How could +150 ships survive a covie fleet(314-750 ships) for a month and ONI couldn't have kept the invasion as secret for a month for the following reasons -The covenant glassed the citys around the circular lake during the 14th of august,this can be observed in the lnos level . -The entire vierry territoy was at war on the 12th,it's the size of a large continent.You think civilians wouldn't have noticed that? -The supercarrier destroying the UNSC fleet at Reach,something the civilians should have noticed as well -New alexandira -..many more ONI couldn't have kept it a secret,but why not evacuate civilians?Last time i checked UNSC would always evacuate civilans if a planet get's attacked.And the cole protocl has not been used??Why????Give me one good reason for all of this. And what's the ponit again of red flag briefing if the godamn covies were fighting above your head. This games contradicts with all forms of previous canon,even with Halo ce and with the journal. This game is a total disaster. [/quote] They do not last a month against 300-something ships, you're right about that. They last two weeks, last I checked a month was [i]four[/i] weeks. The whole 750+ ships was an error, it's still 300-something Covie ships. And as I have said quite a few times before, if it was kept secret at all, it was only until the Long Night of Solace was revealed. Why create mass-panic and hysteria if it's only a handful of ships that can easily be dispatched, by saying the Covenant are on Reach? What pray tell, does it conflict with CE about? You just pulled that statement out of your ass didn't you? And it can't contradict the Journal either, as the whole point of it was to explain questions raised by Reach, pulled that one out of your ass too didn't you? Kit is right, you are overreacting.[/quote] 1)The autumn was in the middle of combat in space,if some unarmed vessels arrive to bring the autumn to aszod,you think the covies will just stay and watch?No they would have blasted thos ships out of orbit because the entire UNSC fleet was nearly obliterated when the autumn was about to escape. And i really think that in that game,the autumn never fought in space but stayed on ground all the time.If this is true then blue team couldn't have fought in space,red team wouldn't have had a disaster crash. 2)No Halsey:...Perhaps more.You are to take her to the UNSC ship-breaking yards in Aszod.There,you will find a Halycon-class cruiser waiting to get her off planet Seems like the autumn is already there unless Halsey could magically predict the autumn succesfully landing there with no problem Auntie Dot:UNSC cruiser,Pillar of autumn is awaiting your arrival. Looks like tha autumn was already on Reach at ht end of the 29th or the beginning of the 30th.In the books tha autumn was in space preparing to leave the system(prophet hunt) -Nope according to the fall of reach and even Dr Halsey's journal,Halsey talked to her spartans face to face and not a video conference.The red breifing did happen,but like i said before i guess bungie ingored the journal(typical). Remember the cutscene of the sabre docking into the anchor 9?You see plasmabombardement,one of those explosions was near SWORD and auntie dot said this: "There is nothing you can do for Halsey and the others inside SWORD base." Halsey couldn't have escaped sword when the area had been glassed. Jun:SWORD?The covenant own it now." The covenant contolled sword base,Halsey couldn't have escaped it.The game contradicts with the journal and the books.So why putting that journal into the Reach editions if both contradict eachother? I get the feeling that Bungie ingores the halo canon from other authors and think their own vision is canon.They have no rights to do that.Microsoft and 343 own Halo and not Bungie,so why change canon without asking 343 first? Look what Bungie says: [quote]"We did take some liberty," said Lehto. "In the book, I believe the Pillar of Autumn is in orbit at a docking station. We talked to [Eric] Nylund [the author of "The Fall of Reach"] about the whole event structure and we got the chronology of it down to where we felt comfortable with the little bends we were taking to make sure it worked best for the game and best for our game's fiction. [u]We've had discrepancies with Nylund[/u] on what we believe is canon and what should be made sacred in the canon. But that's always the case [u]when you have others outside of Bungie building the fiction for the "Halo[/u] " universe."[/quote] hahahaha,sorry for laughing but read this.Bungie say they only talked with Nylund about this and not 343.Last time i checked microsoft and 343 owned Halo and the story bible and not bungie.So why did bungie said "Bungie's canon".This is a huge confirmation that they said -blam!- you to the halo canon(excluding their works),Eric nylund and 343 industries. The story of the book was far far better then the game's.Most of the halo fans will agree on this. -The 750 ships comes from Lord Hoods quote and the new fall of reach.And as Holland says,the covie fleet arrived at the 14th.Seems like 150 inferior UNSC ships were fighting 300-750 superior ships.Weird how did the UNSC survived that long?Did they had Forerunner ships?*sarcasm* An inferior outnumbered outgunned fleet could not survive the slaughter of a massive covie fleet for weeks.One salvo of that fleet would decimate the UNSC fleet.But again it's bungie people who don't give a -blam!- about the fiction. What happened with them,they were so good during the halo trilogy but now... -They couldn't have kept it a secret till the supercarrier show.An entire massive continent was at war. [url]http://www.halopedian.com/images/b/b5/Viery.jpg[/url] The largest citys of Reach are located at those circular lakes and as seen in that picture there was war in the citys as well.Just face it the cvivilians know it.And according to the books the arrival of the covies on the 30th was a surprise. -Massive panic?It's the goddamn Covenant empire with fleets numbering in thousands and with ships that can travel at +900 light years a day.Any covenant fleet could travel in a matter of hours in the UNSC teriroty and can send reinforcements in a matter of hours. Why didn't they avacuated the 700 million civilians?They know that any covenant fleet could arrive in a matter of hours.So they risk the death of all civilians because they stupidly belive that the covies wouldn't send reinforcements soon? (het were lucky that the covies waited to long to send a large fleet,stupid plot shield) Seems the UNSC did the wrong decision as everyone on Reach died except a dozen UNSC warships escaped the onslaught. UNSC and Covenant jsut became the margest retards in sciencefiction history thanks to bungie. -It conflicts with CE because cortana didn't knew who the forerunners are in Halo ce but in Reach she absorbes massive amounts of Forerunner knowledge. Just face it Bungie ruined everything and you guys can't admit it.Even marvus letho admitted it in that interview,they even didn't asked 343 industires the owners of the halo canon and think that "their canon" is higher above all of the others. The reason they contradicted the books is because they think they might make the game story far better .To bad they failed as most halo fans will agree that the Reach story isn't better then the previous games.The lack of massive battle scope,poor writing,... And yes i'm overreacting my apoligies for that [Edited on 01.23.2011 4:30 AM PST]