This is great https://youtu.be/S5SCXhxNg4A

Yeah I can't believe they actually followed through with lowering Black Spindle to 290. Touch of Malice drops at 310. What's the difference? Getting Touch of Malice was easier than getting Black Spindle. The raid isn't all that hard, and using youtube to run around and get fragments is easy too. Whatever. Bungie have no clue. I'm surprised you didn't mention the fact that they made our ENTIRE year one collection useless with one swift blow. You wanna talk about a lack of respect for our time, that's the single biggest blow right there. Some of my stuff I literally had for a few weeks before it was turned into garbage. They KNEW they were going to change Hopscotch Pilgrim into the Allfate. They also KNEW how many people were grinding for it. Do they say anything? Nope. Cause they don't respect our time. They'd rather sit there and quietly let us waste hours on the same old crappy strikes because it adds to the time spent in game. As another poster said... why CHANGE the spindle. Ok, it was a mistake. But was it really worth patching? And what about the people that legitimately infused theirs? You patched theirs too! I would be furious. Thank god I wasn't one of those. Trials gear is a waste of time to collect, cause like I said above, they have made it clear that within a couple months they'll just make it all useless anyway. It takes that long to gear up 3 characters with it, if you have a job and a family and can't spend 8 hours a day in Destiny. So don't even bother with Trials. What the hell was Prison of Elders by the way?? What the hell was that? 3 exotics that some of us are STILL missing.... those didn't last long....?? Year one levels? What the hell was Nechrochasm?? Why did you guys even BOTHER with Hard Light and The Strangers Rifle???? I don't even understand? Why buff weapons that you have chosen to leave behind already?? I don't get it. Why on earth did you make The Strangers Rifle legendary, only to lock it at year one???? You spent Dev hours and dollars on THAT?? Why did you even waste development time on Prison of Elders??? It was a 2 months distraction for useless rewards and exotics with the life span of a fly. Why did I bother with anything in year one? Why do you try to sell Iron Banner as "Power Matters"?? It doesn't. Look at your curve lol. You need a massive difference in light level for there to be a measureable damage reduction. Gimme a break lol. The reality is, they did this for all the newbies trying to jump in. They don't give a shit about the rest of us. Those of us that have played this game WAY too much since the beta (I, sadly, am one). Bungie truly does not care about us. They want the newbies. The ones with nice fat fresh wallets. They truly do not care about those of us that have put the time in since day one. Also, why the hell did people say The Taken King story was better??? That final mission battle with Oryx?? What a joke. What, like 5 missions or something?? Lost count, they were boring. By the way, the original game still has NO story whatsoever. So the foundation that the next 10 years is supposed to be built upon? Yeah, doesn't exist. Anybody else notice the place holders around the Dreadnaught for the next DLCs? Guess what? Ground work has already been laid to make everything you are working for RIGHT NOW totally useless. And it's just around the corner! Oh joy! TL:DR - If you don't like reading, or can't pay attention long enough to get through this, you shouldn't be on a forum where people communicate through text. I refuse to cater to you.

In all seriousness, i've been playing Destiny just as a placeholder for Fallout 4. I no longer care about the game, but it's fun to get together with some friends and raid from time to time or to hop into a Crucible match but now, I really only play this game because I'm eagerly waiting 3 1/2 weeks to go by quick. But as soon as November 10th comes along, I won't be needing this piece of horse shit anymore

In case no one knows a huge reason why things are the way they are in this game, read up on this guy https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Bobby-Kotick-the-CEO-of-Activision-disliked-by-some-in-the-gaming-industry

This! It's nice to see such a constructively critical post, that will be sadly lost on the vast majority of this forums community and no doubt ignored by our community managers and moderators... Destiny is the first game since COD4, that I've played for well over a year, and it seems as though, alike the COD series, it's beginning to head on a downward spiral. I mean, I LIKE The Taken King. The missions are fun and challenging at times as they should be, most of the Tower improvement and player progress tracking is great and a massive step in the right direction, and the story is vastly improved from year one and characters now seem to have a purpose and a background to go with it, Cayde 6's introduction to the story is a massive success and he is easily the most likeable character in the game. However, this has come at a cost... Firstly, the weapons and Armour are now very underwhelming, this however is just my opinion. But by removing them and swapping them with such poor replacements is utter suicide! I mean people had their Year 1 "Go To" set ups. For Me, it was Vision, Found Verdict and Gjallarhorn FTW! Teamed with my Armamantarium! It was what I went to war with and turned me into a PvE beast! But there is nothing... I repeat NOTHING! Of their likeness! Fatebringer, Sword Breaker, Fang, Icebreaker, Scholar, Messenger etc... They have all now been cast into obscurity with nothing to replace them. Secondly..... Endgame content... Where do I start... Let's start with the Nightfall, which in year one was the primary way to get something very sought after. Now, it is pointless! So what if people banged it out across all three characters on reset day!? It wasn't for the Experience lets get that straight, it was to get Endgame weapons and armour to improve their character. Now, it's stale, the drops are utter tripe and there is no real reason to do it anymore, my drops from the Nightfall since TTK have been 2 Charged Antiquated Runes, a crap Legendary Auto Rifle, 3 Strange Coins, 5 Strange Coins, 5 Three Of Coins, and a Legendary Class Artefact that was only 250 light... And that's just the PS4! Don't even get me started on my Xbox One Profile! It's utter crap! And desperately needs to be addressed or the Nightfall will Fall... Flat on its face! Then there's the Raids. In my opinion, the Vault Of Glass is single handedly one of the greatest and aesthectically beautiful pieces in ANY game I've played! It is a masterpiece, and it saddens me that it is now completely redundant, along with Crota's End and Prison Of Elders. I mean come on Bungie! You've pretty much removed over half the Endgame PVE Content! Kings Fall is good, and very enjoyable, but it's paltry in comparison to VOG... Which needs to be reinstated to its former glory! And Speaking of Kings Fall, what a pile of crap Mouldering Shards are, kill Oryx expecting to receive big rewards from having 20, and instead, you get 2 back in return! What's the sense in that!? Trials and Iron Banner have both received a Year 2 make over... Why not the Raids as well? It's Ridiculous!!! I own Destiny with ALL expansions on PS4 and Xbox One, and I've gotta say, the grind is really starting to grind me down... All that hard work and effort for no reward, it just doesn't make sense to continuously do this for nothing, which only points me towards the thought that pay to win will be incorperated for those continually let down by the ever Falable RNG, mark my words, Tess and her Emotes are just the beginning, and the way it's going, I'll be pulling out long before that happens unless something drastically changes... Loyalty to the game, that Us, the paying community is not rewarded, and it seems like Bungie, along with Activision, who now apparently pull all the strings from the top, are just turning the game into a cash cow, the same way as the COD franchise did. The player, and making a great game are no longer perceived to be the driving force, just the players wallets and what they can extract from it... It's a sorry state of affairs for a game that promised so much...

Black Spindle was not nerfed, it was fixed. It was never meant to drop at 310.

Bump for some truth, but doesn't get to the core of the issue. [b]That core is one question: MMORPG or FPS with lite MMO features. If it's not an MMO then say so, and I'll go about my business and not expect live service and support. But bungie keeps selling a grander and grander vision for this thing (it's precisely the kind of train wreck you can't look away from.) If it IS something new, something that is a hybrid MMO/FPS, then do something truly different and just let us some -blam!-ing fun. Stop treating items and stats and Raids and shit like SERIOUS BUSINESS, to be hoarded away. Look at Diablo III and turn it around. For the MMO fans out there you'd fix it by adding in more land mass and places to explore with a few more interesting patrols/public events to do AND (this is big) an enchantment system that let's bind the "stats" of one piece of gear to the "look" of another. You'll never give a shit about initial character customization so I won't even touch that one. For FPS fans who want to stay in the crucible with vanity runs to a lobby or to do strikes just relegate PVP gear and stats to a crucible vendor and that particular playlist and mode...you already do something similar so why not just go the extra step and quit trying to model our behavior (re:forced PVP for bounties, quests, etc) [/b] I don't want to be your ideal of a Destiny player...well-rounded or some shit. If I wanted that I'd go study the Trivium, run a marathon and become an Adonis. No, what I want is to play some stellar PVE shooting, do some RPG style quests and get a shot at the BIG BAD of the month. I mean, when did video games become this thing where we pay you to earn shit that you devalue every three months? It sucks and we need it to change.

Bumped for truth... But there's one thing I'd like to add... The game peaked in that 1 week period after the 2.0 patch came out and before TTK. What they've done is erase ALL of the good will the 2.0 patch brought them. Item for item they have demonstrably made the game worse. I can only speak for myself, but I used to play the game daily. On the weekly re-set I'd hit the weekly heroic x 3 characters and the Nightfall x 3 characters. The first thing I noticed was that there was no real benefit to running 3 characters anymore. The grind was too high to do it. Unless you devote most of your time to 1 character it's very hard to advance. That and I stopped playing as much. I turned it on last night to get the new patch and check out the emote store, but I didn't REALLY play the game. Before that, I helped some friends kill Golgoroth the other day, my reward? Mouldering Shards. This reminded me of my very first VoG run when all I got was Chatterwhite and Axiomatic Beads. If you want people to keep playing you have to give them an incentive to play. Bungie, what you're doing is giving me reasons to stop playing...

Black spindle was originally supposed to drop at 290. It was a bug that made it drop at 310 idiot. An who are you to tell Bungie how to run their shit. They probably have way more experience than you an here you are telling them how to do things. Bungie doesn't care if you leave, because your just one person. So stop telling Bungie how they should run their business.

Bungie responded to the Black Spindle error immediately. Cozmo stated that all Black Spindles would be reduced to 280/290, regardless of whether or not it was in your inventory/vault. Calling it a nerf is false. Is it a shitty situation, absolutely. Probably would have been better off reducing it to 300. I mean, you get a legendary shotty/FR at 300 for completing a simple Vanguard quest.

I thought it was going to be an angry 13 year old. But, after reading this (yes, the whole thing) you bring up some very solid points in a very articulate manner. Bumpity bump bump... Bump bump!

This is all true. Bungie needs to listen to the players, not do whatever they want. It is suppose to be our game. Let us play it our way