Week one, I just don't have enough time. Week two, another team and I get close but some Warlock jackass keeps messing up the [i]Daughters[/i] part. Which is one of the easiest in the raid...He kept running around the middle and not paying attention to when he was torn between dimensions. Week three! New people, we get all the way to Daughters in 90 minutes or so, and on our first tries for everything. Sweet success. But then we all have to leave. I think "four days, I can try this with some of my friends and use LFG! Plenty of time". Today we spent....120 minutes on the Daughters. I taught them all, was as patient as I could be, but between one person's mic not working because of this "NAT Issue" bullshit that loves to keep popping up, people leaving the minute something goes wrong, another Warlock who kept dying, and people once again having to leave before we can complete it...damn, I'm pretty butthurt. I have been trying for three weeks to get this done, and once again, something's going to show up and prevent that from happening. I'm even being as nice as possible to all the people, teaching them, and dealing with it for 2 hours. How patient should I be? How patient are you? Should I just start leaving after a while, or have faith in my groups? Some of these people have really been fantastic, they have. But you end up really needing six people to consistently stay alive for the last parts of the raid. I have the whole thing planned out in my head, but in practice, it keeps failing. I do my part... We try the 3-4 Brand run version, where we don't kill the first one, but try to kill the second one. Every time, someone screwed up at one of the runs. Having to get 3-4 perfect runs felt difficult, so we tried the 2 attempt version...where, for some reason, we kept only doing half of the second Deathsinger's health and getting wiped... What gets me the most is that this boss fight takes five damn minutes or less if you can get it done right. I have put about 3 hours into the Daughters, and that equates to...36 attempts, at least. In all honesty, it feels like 50... Good grief, it has been a long day, and I am butthurt... EDIT: Thanks for all the feedback and support, guys :D Really brightens my day. EDIT TWO: Team from last night pulled through and got the daughters beat! Time constraints prevented us from doing Oryx, but there is still hope :D FINAL EDIT: Oryx is dead :D ToM and the Raid Scout are mine :D Thanks so very much to the people that helped me, you guys were great. I'll now be able to help anyone in the next coming weeks, so that'll be great. Never give up, Guardians! Keep fighting!