Both of the two classes have been made useless in both PvP and PvE because of how much better Nightstalker is. An easy way to bring them back into play in PvP is make it so Void Shot does no damage to Guardians as it should. It already suppresses the target, it doesn't need to instant kill them. Nightstalker also makes defenders even more useless. Why set up a defense that can be broken by any super or high amount of gunfire, when you can just fire several shots to trap incoming enemies that can't be destroyed tethered or not. It was always said by many in the community that Defender traded it's near useless power in PvP for crazy being crazy OP in PvE. As of right now now the Nightstalker is the Annie support of Destiny. It's a support that can destroy the enemy team because they have an absurd amount of utility and damage. Many people left Destiny before because it was a terribly unbalanced anti fun zone in many aspects. The biggest for literally everyone on the friends list who bought the game was how broken PvP was with weapon balance. Now weapons are in a better place but the supers are the problem and those what 5 people who came back along with me in TTK are all getting tired of it. Titans throwing flaming hammers and instantly recovering after a kill WHAT! There being no counter play to stormtrance besides die. It's the only way to ensure you're not going to get lightning charged. And the worse of them all is Nightstalker in every aspect for PvP. The class literally has everything any player needs, its far to overloaded. Taking away it's ability to just falt out kill anyone would allow some form of resistance besides ducking and jumping to avoid incoming attacks and that's only if they didn't try to aim at you. I had really high hopes that Bungie would see the true power of utility with Nightstalker. but they threw it all away by keeping that same utility but giving it killing power. It's the exact reason why Riven is finally getting nerfed. To much utility and too much damage. Idea by Armed Fool- Easy fix. Allow shadowshot to deal 50 damage to non-supered guardians, but insta-kill guardians in super, so that you can shut down a super without dying in the process or dying and letting the enemy live.