Thank you for mentioning this. A lot of people don't seem to realise (or just don't want to acknowledge) how morally bankrupt and unethical it is for Bungievision to lock the vanilla content behind another pay wall when the customer has already paid the initial price of the original game. They've even locked or plain old wiped away most of the TDB and HoW DLC expansions. Stuff that people paid £20 to £40 for on top of the £40 for the already severely gutted upon release vanilla game. Bungie's creative director Luke Smith himself even admits that they knew Destiny was hugely flawed on release: “When that went out the door, we were not thrilled with it.” Destiny is now basically a game 95% of which is locked behind DLC. [b]And in a couple of months time all the content that was locked to The Taken King will most probably be locked yet again until you buy their next piece of DLC[/b]. That is a subscription based model if I ever saw one except that it has been dishonestly peddled through without informing the customer until it is too late. I mean they changed the EULA agreement multiple times, most notably every time a new DLC dropped. They knew exactly how they wanted to screw their customers and they did it. [b]The question now is do we (the players/customers) allow this sort of immoral, unethical, greedy, sleight of hand scam artistry to spread throughout the industry. [/b]The future of gaming is in our own hands and we can vote with our wallets and our voices - just look at what happened with Arkham Knight's release on PC. Gamers stood up for their rights and forced the publisher to rethink some of their more shitty business practices. What Bungievision have done needs to stop before it begins because it will set a very real and very dangerous precedent in the industry if we willingly condone and allow it. It doesn't matter if you have bought TTK or not (apart from the fact that you've fallen into Bungievision's greed trap), if we all speak out now about this and raise enough of a stink then the industry will take notice! Just as WB Games took notice and pulled PC Arkham Knight from sales until they fix it. I'm not saying Bungievision will pull back on locking 95% of Destiny's content behind TTK but I guarantee you they [b]will[/b] take notice and will start to rethink their shitty business strategy in the future, as will the industry as a whole. If we continue to let it slide however then the future of our favourite hobby, gaming, will continue to get worse and worse for us; the players and customers, no matter the size of our wallets. [u]REFERENCE[/u]: This thread features the details of Luke Smith's interview and what Bungie more or less think of Destiny and The Taken King's lock out of content (please bump it if you can): https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/157044067/0/0 If you're looking for something more interactive this video pretty much explains the TTK situation really well in my opinion: http://youtu.be/Z_LE7HXLlDo

Bungie fanboys logic: Normal Player: Why nerf all year 1 gear to useless? Bungie Fanboy: Dude, every MMO does the same thing, obviously you don't play any MMO's. Normal Player: What the -blam!-ed happened to my content? This is a dlc not a whole game. DLC's don't lock out content add content. Look other MMO style games. Bungie Fanboy: Dude, Destiny is not a MMO and you are retarded.

This is bungies way of making it a subscription based but not call it a subscription. I look at it as 20 for dlc and 20 for yearly subscription for a freshened up vanilla game

I would love to bump, but apparently [spoiler]Bumping (Requires The Taken King)[/spoiler] So I'm left with B. I'll gladly B this post.

But, but all MMOS in the history of the world ever always require you to buy dlc or they take your shit away. Doesn't Bethesda know how an MMO works?! And if you signed a EULA they can take it all back! Why aren't they? I mean you aren't supporting the game anymore, you shouldn't be treated like you've already given them money, you should be treated like a homeless squatter in a newly purchased home. I'm outraged. This isn't fair to the people who bought the dlc.

Shame nobody plays eso since it sucks -sincerely A beta player

So go play it ?? Seems like the thing a normal person would do rather than come onto a destiny forum to tell people who don't really give a sheet All games are different We should all be over this by now

But they made you sign a User Agreement!!! That gives Bethesda a free pass to shit on you!!! Why are they not shitting on you? All MMOs shit on their customers that is why Bungie does it. It would be okay if they did shit on you because that is what User Agreements are for...a free pass to shit on those who sign it.

You do realize this isn't an MMO, right? You do also realize that no one has attempted a game that works in this fashion before, right? I'm not writing a "pass" here, but this game IS getting markedly better with each DLC/expansion. Do they need to fix "left behind" syndrome? Sure. Do they need to find a way to make all endgame content (VoG, CE, PoE) relevant to those that are staying ahead of the paywall? You bet. But, if you've played the game since it dropped, there can be no argument that the quality of TTK far exceeds that of vanilla Destiny.

Damn straight. Fanboys can -blam!-ing eat it. The morons claiming that its "common" or "expected" for expansions to render old content obsolete or remove pre-existing content are obviously full of it and too busy drinking from that Koolaid. Next to no one does that kind of shit.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON COMING TO THESE FORUMS ARE FANBOYS.

Lol. But you see. Elder Scrolls is run by a company with ethics. Duh.

Please leave the forums if the only thing you can do is complain. If you dont like it buy the dlc

Still in year 1 for elder scrolls idiot jerk narcissist.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/09/07/halo-composer-wins-bungie-shares-creative-control-lawsuit This idea will probably fall on deaf ears but I've changed my avatar to the pic of Marty O'Donnell the original MVP who stood up to the shitty practices of Bungievision and i suggest you all do the same. Just as little reminder every time we comment on something they may f*ck people over in the short term but it will always come back and bite them on the arse!

EWWWW Elder scrolls..

That awkward moment when Destiny isn't an MMO.