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5/12/2009 9:13:40 PM
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Render-to-Video Public Beta

Online and open for beta business. [url=/news/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=RTVPublicBeta] click for full story [/url] edit by Roger: zeroth. I'm comandeering this post to answer any (good) questions that come up. Enjoy, everyone! Q: Can I upgrade from free-DLC-Pro to Beta status? A: Sorry, no. There are too many people in that situation for us to be able to do that and still keep the beta small. Q: When will videos appear on the file search? A: If you filter by "in the last day", you can use it now. Other time periods are on a nightly refresh. Q: Will files already converted into video format be downloadable by other users without charge (provided they have a Bungie Pro Subscription)? A: Yes, at least for now all Beta users can see all other users' videos. We're watching what this does to bandwidth, and we might have to adjust it. Q: Does this only work on PCs? A: The videos are WMV, and Macs can play that format with the right software Q: Can I render six 10-second films for one "minute" of points? A: No, points are used per minute or fractional minute. A 61-second clip is "2 minutes". You will see the point cost before you confirm the purchase. Q: If I delete the base film from my fileshare, will the video get deleted? A: No. Current plan is to keep videos around for a long time regardless. They can still be accessed by search or via the game they relate to. Still, save off your file when you can, since we can't keep all the videos around *forever* Q: How do I report a broken video, such as the end getting chopped off? A: [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=32880830&viewreplies=true]Reply in this thread[/url] Q: If I like to make machinima with lots of multi-angle shots, shouldn't I just get a capture card? A: Probably, yes. Render-to-video is geared toward players who want to highlight gameplay footage that is special to them. Buying a capture card that can encode 720p (or even digital 360p) is expensive and troublesome for the infrequent capture user, and this service is an inexpensive alternative. When final pricing is announced this summer, you can decide if you really plan to produce more footage than this service will give you for the same price. Q: Why is there audio before the action starts moving? A:That's intentional, to make sure the game engine has had a chance to fully load everything. The simulation starts paused, then we start recording, then we yell, "Action!" Similarly, we have the on-screen Spartans hold their pose for an extra second at the end before we stop recording. Q: Why is it that for a few films, the thumbnail black, the film is unseekable, the length reports as 0, and the end is chopped off? A: It was a bug which I think should be fixed as of now (May 13th, 4:33 PM) for all films rendered in the future. I'll keep an eye on it to make sure the problem is gone. Q: Where's the reticule? A: How about that? The game itself doesn't display a reticule for *clips* until you leave and reenter 1st-person camera. We're showing it the same way the game does. We'll dig around and see if we can prepare a fix for the version of the game engine that runs on the Hydra. Q: Can I render other people's videos and vice versa? A: Yes, any film that's shared on bungie.net is fair game for anyone. Q: Why can't you charge by the second rather than rounding to the minute? A: Each clip, no matter how long, takes a certain amount of our machine time as overhead, loading the clip. It's about 30 seconds of wasted time per clip, So your 1-second clip costs you 60 seconds of Points and costs us 31 seconds of machine time. But your 59-second clip costs us 89 seconds of machine time and still costs you 60 seconds of Points. In the end, it comes out even. [Edited on 05.17.2009 7:57 PM PDT by sawnose]

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  • ... I thought I was going to be happy about, but bungie why would you make it cost I mean EVERYONE probably would like to try and make a Machinima, but you guys screwed it up and we all ready gave enough to you guys I mean how much of us do you think bought "Halo Wars" when that came out? For its unbelievable some of us don't have a lot of money to use at the moment. I would just buy a capture card rather then buying cards then uploading them when I can use a capture card and download the video for free with out paying a dollar for maybe a 28 second part. I thought this was going to be a free capture card... Bungie once again you have PISSED ME OFF!!!

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  • First! just playin. Anyways, why aren't cross hairs included in the renderings?

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  • Translation: Capture cards work better, don't use what we have. I mean honestly: you're going to make us "pay" to get video clips? Nor can we upgrade from Bungie Pro DLC to regular Bungie Pro? No one will use the beta, because the people would be using it also have the Mythic Maps. Waste. Of. Time. Also, pricing. I think in the end a capture-card would work out best.

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  • As I stated in my previous (locked) thread, the new service is amazing. It's too bad that some people don't know how to recognize greatness...

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  • This sounded like a great feature, until I realised its just another one of Bungie/Microsoft's excuses to extort money from their fans. Seriously, 1 point a month for bungie Pro members?! If you're planning on charging 5 points a minute for an HD clip, that's a pretty low blow. How much will it cost to buy points? If it really does cost ttoo much people would be better off simply getting a capture card. It's not all about money!

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  • Works like a charm so far except for some reason the cross hairs in any of the videos do not appear

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  • Hmm, I'm pretty dang glad I got Bungie Pro. Too be honest, the stuff in there isn't too good, but oh well. So far both I've rendered have worked great. I was wondering why Bungie was being so secretive-making it Bungie Pro required and having to have purchased before the beat and without the Mythic/Legendary deal is nice, and keeps the amount of people small. Still, I have the feeling there will be a rush of threads such as this: WTF, I dl'd Bungie Pro, but I still can't render to video?!?!. Ah well. It'll always be something. Both clips I've uploaded have run like a charm. I'll have to wait to see how the payment system works, though. It seems kind of annoying.

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  • How many people are able to use the beta?

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  • Good Feature. I need more minutes..lol

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  • This sounds like it's going to be pretty cool! :D It would be nice to see some pics of The Contraption and possibly a few tech specs.... :) ...as long as it's not classified or something...

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  • The guy in the video was BK+++.

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  • I was hopin' you'd say the eligibility would be limited to all old members of the community. Eh.

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  • Finally here. And I am in the Beta. However. This point system seems really cheap. I understand it is so it won't overload the servers because of all the videos. But it sounds like it's going to be like one 1 minute video a month. That's lame..

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  • I thought this was going to be free. No way im paying for this crap. Might as well just buy a capture card. [Edited on 05.12.2009 5:22 PM PDT]

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  • I really like this feature. The only complaint I have is, when you click "Render to Video", the dialog box appears "behind" the playback screen so you can't read anything on it. The only thing you can do is close the box and save it as a .WMV.

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  • [lag double post, pardon my dust] [Edited on 05.12.2009 5:14 PM PDT]

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  • Feature request: Gifting minutes to other users. Say I'm a cool dude with a cap card. I don't need Bungie minutes! So I gift all my minutes to a friend who does, so he can upload his 2 minute and 15 second clip while I lol with my cap card.

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  • I have a question... Will the download count go up when someone views or downloads your video?

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  • I wonder why they started charging us.

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  • Kind of disappointed that we have to pay to use this service however I understand why so I'm not going to rage over it. Good idea and well done Bungiepire. Haven't seen this done with any other game (although I don't play any other games than Halo)

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jake Aint MLG Say i remove the video i rendered from my fileshare, is there still a way for me to view it? and if i re-upload it to my fileshare will it still be rendered?[/quote] yes download it to your PC and yes. read the news story. and the reason there is no crosshair is probably the same reason that it's not there when you load a clip in Halo 3. The videos in the example were probably full games. [Edited on 05.12.2009 5:04 PM PDT]

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  • Looks like I may have recently bought a capture card for nothing..

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  • :D. I'm so happy you have to pay for it. Now Youtube is less likely to be overrun by childrens' machinimas.

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  • That's a rip off

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  • Say i remove the video i rendered from my fileshare, is there still a way for me to view it? and if i re-upload it to my fileshare will it still be rendered?

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  • Looks amazing! Thanks again!

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