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5/12/2009 9:13:40 PM
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Render-to-Video Public Beta

Online and open for beta business. [url=/news/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=RTVPublicBeta] click for full story [/url] edit by Roger: zeroth. I'm comandeering this post to answer any (good) questions that come up. Enjoy, everyone! Q: Can I upgrade from free-DLC-Pro to Beta status? A: Sorry, no. There are too many people in that situation for us to be able to do that and still keep the beta small. Q: When will videos appear on the file search? A: If you filter by "in the last day", you can use it now. Other time periods are on a nightly refresh. Q: Will files already converted into video format be downloadable by other users without charge (provided they have a Bungie Pro Subscription)? A: Yes, at least for now all Beta users can see all other users' videos. We're watching what this does to bandwidth, and we might have to adjust it. Q: Does this only work on PCs? A: The videos are WMV, and Macs can play that format with the right software Q: Can I render six 10-second films for one "minute" of points? A: No, points are used per minute or fractional minute. A 61-second clip is "2 minutes". You will see the point cost before you confirm the purchase. Q: If I delete the base film from my fileshare, will the video get deleted? A: No. Current plan is to keep videos around for a long time regardless. They can still be accessed by search or via the game they relate to. Still, save off your file when you can, since we can't keep all the videos around *forever* Q: How do I report a broken video, such as the end getting chopped off? A: [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=32880830&viewreplies=true]Reply in this thread[/url] Q: If I like to make machinima with lots of multi-angle shots, shouldn't I just get a capture card? A: Probably, yes. Render-to-video is geared toward players who want to highlight gameplay footage that is special to them. Buying a capture card that can encode 720p (or even digital 360p) is expensive and troublesome for the infrequent capture user, and this service is an inexpensive alternative. When final pricing is announced this summer, you can decide if you really plan to produce more footage than this service will give you for the same price. Q: Why is there audio before the action starts moving? A:That's intentional, to make sure the game engine has had a chance to fully load everything. The simulation starts paused, then we start recording, then we yell, "Action!" Similarly, we have the on-screen Spartans hold their pose for an extra second at the end before we stop recording. Q: Why is it that for a few films, the thumbnail black, the film is unseekable, the length reports as 0, and the end is chopped off? A: It was a bug which I think should be fixed as of now (May 13th, 4:33 PM) for all films rendered in the future. I'll keep an eye on it to make sure the problem is gone. Q: Where's the reticule? A: How about that? The game itself doesn't display a reticule for *clips* until you leave and reenter 1st-person camera. We're showing it the same way the game does. We'll dig around and see if we can prepare a fix for the version of the game engine that runs on the Hydra. Q: Can I render other people's videos and vice versa? A: Yes, any film that's shared on bungie.net is fair game for anyone. Q: Why can't you charge by the second rather than rounding to the minute? A: Each clip, no matter how long, takes a certain amount of our machine time as overhead, loading the clip. It's about 30 seconds of wasted time per clip, So your 1-second clip costs you 60 seconds of Points and costs us 31 seconds of machine time. But your 59-second clip costs us 89 seconds of machine time and still costs you 60 seconds of Points. In the end, it comes out even. [Edited on 05.17.2009 7:57 PM PDT by sawnose]

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  • WOW. Some... actually, a [i]lot[/i] of people are stupid. Not reading FTL!

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] shaunford1982 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aussie Poisons Translation: Capture cards work better, don't use what we have. I mean honestly: you're going to make us "pay" to get video clips? Nor can we upgrade from Bungie Pro DLC to regular Bungie Pro? No one will use the beta, because the people would be using it also have the Mythic Maps. Waste. Of. Time. Also, pricing. I think in the end a capture-card would work out best.[/quote] no some of us had gotten the mythic maps with halo wars and some of us already had bungie pro, support your favorite game they support you back thanks Bungie! :)[/quote] Yes, well not all of us are 12 year old pricks whose parents buy them anything they want. Your last line did not make sense either. Bungie doesn't support me.

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  • i dont fully understand is bungie planning to charge people to download videos? if so thats just stupid. i could go out and get a high quality video card for like 20 dollars. then i could also record stuff from other games.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Skibur Flag taken, flag dropped....[/quote] .......... You get Assassinated then.... (|||||-------------)...(||||||----------)...(|||||||||||||-----).....(|||||||||||||||||) Flag Returned.... (Sorry for the Double Post) [Edited on 05.12.2009 7:09 PM PDT]

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  • Ahhhhh. I would have loved to be abel to download this. Are there any future plans on making this available to every one and not just the Pro members?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jay Morales I have the 24 slots in my file share because I downloaded the Mythic Map Pack. Can I still do this because I saw that I couldn't. Will these videos be available in Movie Maker? For the points will I have to buy them with money more Microsoft Points?[/quote] You obviously didn't read to well. Try again :(

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  • I have the 24 slots in my file share because I downloaded the Mythic Map Pack. Can I still do this because I saw that I couldn't. Will these videos be available in Movie Maker? For the points will I have to buy them with money more Microsoft Points?

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  • Finally!!!! Thanks Bungie!

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  • can someone pm me the answer to this but if i download a clip someone else has rendered, then will this count towards my minute points?

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  • I don't know how I feel about this. I just downloaded the WMV for Quicktime thingymoheegan, but the picture size is too large for my screen. I can only capture clips under a minute for 1 point otherwise it's more?!! I can't buy a capture card, because most capture cards don't work with Macs. I am in a pickle...

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  • I think my [url=http://twitter.com/MorioKun]Twitter Post[/url] says it all. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Morio kun on Twitter: OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD I about feel out of my chair when I saw this. http://bit.ly/FcOdG .[/quote] Where and how should the beta users give feedback? Such as, it works good when I do this, but bad when I do this. On Youtube. I know the video is not original but it's the only one I had in my file share. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNSN06LNZbo]YouTube - The day elephants can fly[/url] [Edited on 05.12.2009 6:50 PM PDT]

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  • Oh man, AWESOME!

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  • both video qualities are great. HD is outstanding. i am pretty upset about the idea of paying for "Bungie Points" that will be necessary to render the videos. i really wish there was a way to upload them onto your PC for free, but im sure theres an explanation for why Bungie cannot do this. i guess im going to have to look at this optimistically, since i would rather be able to upload videos this way than through a capture card. great work, once again, Bungie =).

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  • I think I about pissed myself when i read the headline, but after reading what fine print there was, I about broke something. The render-to-video feature sounds cool at first glance, but for all the players out there looking to create a montage or a machinima, this is by no means an alternative to a capture card. As a matter of fact, buying a capture card would not only be a worthwhile investment for multiple reasons OTHER than Halo 3 captures, buying a capture card SOLELY for Halo 3 captures would no doubt be cheaper in the long run. Bungie's "point" system will work much like cell phone minutes in most company's rate structures. There's not going to be "partial points" involved. You will spend a point to render an SD video of "up to one minute" of footage, and a single point will likely cost about a dollar each (but hopefully cheaper). Most players interested in montage and machinima creation will be using clips averaging between three and ten seconds in length, with a montage average of fifty clips per video. Assuming the conclusion drawn about cost is accurate, a single montage would cost around $50 to render via the render-to-video feature. That's $50 you could be putting towards a capture card. For the people who are rubbed a little raw by the conditions of the rendering feature, there's more than likely a lot of red tape and conditions behind the scenes that Bungie might be legally obligated to abide by. There are server costs to consider, bandwidth usage too. So there are reasons why they have to charge for the service, but I think many people would agree that there are better ways to go about charging for this kind of service. For example, if I were to render all of my clips to video that I have, that would be about 10 minutes of footage that would cost me about $150, solely because all of my clips are 3-5 seconds. Copying a cell phone company's rate structure feels more like extortion if you ask me. The feature is a breakthrough, no doubt, and we're all going to use it, even if it's just with the free points that us Pro subscribers will get every month or so, but this feature seems to be suffocating in red tape. I hope this good idea doesn't get killed off by Microsoft's greed before it has a chance to really flourish.

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  • How do I check if my (paid) Bungie gold is still active/alive? I'm assuming it's not but it's been such a long time since the original purchase I don't remember where/how this is done.

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  • Finally, something that makes bungie pro actually worth the "hefty" price tag.

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  • Flag taken, flag dropped....

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] derk00 WMV? :' ([/quote] That's the standard video format for Windows Computers. If you don't have one then get a converter for it, there should be some online. And it's good to know that this idea wasn't a myth, what efforts you put into this must have been tremendous. How you take directions you give to a game engine to a video format...it'll probably hurt my brain.

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  • WMV? :' (

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  • [quote] can u tell me what a capture card is i would love 2 know :) and my xbl account SHADOW SNIPERoo u can mssge me on that or back on this [/quote] Something that you plug in you tv and you computer and you can record it then edit it if you want.

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  • great idea for rendering

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  • can u tell me what a capture card is i would love 2 know :) and my xbl account SHADOW SNIPERoo u can mssge me on that or back on this [Edited on 05.12.2009 5:52 PM PDT]

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  • I know I don't like the point system very well but I guess it has a point

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  • finally ive waited for this but i wish it didnt cost any but oh well at least i already bought b pro! woot this is great and ive already used it

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aussie Poisons Translation: Capture cards work better, don't use what we have. I mean honestly: you're going to make us "pay" to get video clips? Nor can we upgrade from Bungie Pro DLC to regular Bungie Pro? No one will use the beta, because the people would be using it also have the Mythic Maps. Waste. Of. Time. Also, pricing. I think in the end a capture-card would work out best.[/quote] no some of us had gotten the mythic maps with halo wars and some of us already had bungie pro, support your favorite game they support you back thanks Bungie! :)

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  • ... I thought I was going to be happy about, but bungie why would you make it cost I mean EVERYONE probably would like to try and make a Machinima, but you guys screwed it up and we all ready gave enough to you guys I mean how much of us do you think bought "Halo Wars" when that came out? For its unbelievable some of us don't have a lot of money to use at the moment. I would just buy a capture card rather then buying cards then uploading them when I can use a capture card and download the video for free with out paying a dollar for maybe a 28 second part. I thought this was going to be a free capture card... Bungie once again you have PISSED ME OFF!!!

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