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5/12/2009 9:13:40 PM
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Render-to-Video Public Beta

Online and open for beta business. [url=/news/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=RTVPublicBeta] click for full story [/url] edit by Roger: zeroth. I'm comandeering this post to answer any (good) questions that come up. Enjoy, everyone! Q: Can I upgrade from free-DLC-Pro to Beta status? A: Sorry, no. There are too many people in that situation for us to be able to do that and still keep the beta small. Q: When will videos appear on the file search? A: If you filter by "in the last day", you can use it now. Other time periods are on a nightly refresh. Q: Will files already converted into video format be downloadable by other users without charge (provided they have a Bungie Pro Subscription)? A: Yes, at least for now all Beta users can see all other users' videos. We're watching what this does to bandwidth, and we might have to adjust it. Q: Does this only work on PCs? A: The videos are WMV, and Macs can play that format with the right software Q: Can I render six 10-second films for one "minute" of points? A: No, points are used per minute or fractional minute. A 61-second clip is "2 minutes". You will see the point cost before you confirm the purchase. Q: If I delete the base film from my fileshare, will the video get deleted? A: No. Current plan is to keep videos around for a long time regardless. They can still be accessed by search or via the game they relate to. Still, save off your file when you can, since we can't keep all the videos around *forever* Q: How do I report a broken video, such as the end getting chopped off? A: [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=32880830&viewreplies=true]Reply in this thread[/url] Q: If I like to make machinima with lots of multi-angle shots, shouldn't I just get a capture card? A: Probably, yes. Render-to-video is geared toward players who want to highlight gameplay footage that is special to them. Buying a capture card that can encode 720p (or even digital 360p) is expensive and troublesome for the infrequent capture user, and this service is an inexpensive alternative. When final pricing is announced this summer, you can decide if you really plan to produce more footage than this service will give you for the same price. Q: Why is there audio before the action starts moving? A:That's intentional, to make sure the game engine has had a chance to fully load everything. The simulation starts paused, then we start recording, then we yell, "Action!" Similarly, we have the on-screen Spartans hold their pose for an extra second at the end before we stop recording. Q: Why is it that for a few films, the thumbnail black, the film is unseekable, the length reports as 0, and the end is chopped off? A: It was a bug which I think should be fixed as of now (May 13th, 4:33 PM) for all films rendered in the future. I'll keep an eye on it to make sure the problem is gone. Q: Where's the reticule? A: How about that? The game itself doesn't display a reticule for *clips* until you leave and reenter 1st-person camera. We're showing it the same way the game does. We'll dig around and see if we can prepare a fix for the version of the game engine that runs on the Hydra. Q: Can I render other people's videos and vice versa? A: Yes, any film that's shared on bungie.net is fair game for anyone. Q: Why can't you charge by the second rather than rounding to the minute? A: Each clip, no matter how long, takes a certain amount of our machine time as overhead, loading the clip. It's about 30 seconds of wasted time per clip, So your 1-second clip costs you 60 seconds of Points and costs us 31 seconds of machine time. But your 59-second clip costs us 89 seconds of machine time and still costs you 60 seconds of Points. In the end, it comes out even. [Edited on 05.17.2009 7:57 PM PDT by sawnose]

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  • I was really excited about this, but now I'm pretty annoyed. I may be wrong, but as far as I can see, you not only need to buy a PRO subscription, but you're also going to have to buy points as well, which is a total scam. That's what I got out of it anyway. If I'm wrong, someone please enlighten me.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] runningturtle First![/quote] Cheater.............................. Thank you guys SO much, I've been waiting for this forever. I'm going to try to render one of my vids right now. Edit: Thats sick !!!!! It took like a min to get rendered. I don't have to buy a capture card anymore hell yes. [Edited on 05.12.2009 2:18 PM PDT]

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  • Bug-- When i attempt to render a video [even though i know i can't], the text shows up saying 'Sorry, you're not eligable' But that's all that shows up. There is no X to click to get out of the popup box. The rest of the screen whites out a bit, and i have to hit the back button or refresh the page to get out of it. Edit- [maybe i'll get an answer in here :D] Can i transfer a Bungie Pro subscription from an Unused Gamertag to another one For the purpose of using this awesome beta shtuff? [Edited on 05.12.2009 2:11 PM PDT]

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  • Noice

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  • Ive used this service and was soooooo impressed with it, I made it front page news at xboxic.com [Edited on 05.12.2009 2:10 PM PDT]

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  • have to say that I'm pretty impressed by R2V already. I just rendered two videos, and uploaded them to YouTube in the space of 5 minutes each. Totally slick, smooth work. I like the Bungie Points idea as well. Very well done so far.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] k4ng sooo just another thing that they can use to pump some money out of us with? thats ridiculous. i love all 3 halos but seriously? its bad enough we have to buy maps, and lame that legendary arent free even with the new ones out, but to add more -blam!- we have to pay for? thats facked[/quote] you cant blame bungie for wanting your money or else they're not happy and they don't make new maps n' stuff. am i right bungie?and they also need to get paid somehow...they were nice to us about the heroic pack and now that we're bless'd we gotz to pay.

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  • I have question. The Reticle doesn't show up, will it show up on the final build? That was the only problem I had, I am really glad I had pro before this. Good job, looks great

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  • Love you bungie! :D

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DEEP NNN My Halo 3 movie data clip somehow got replaced by the rendered video. Was it finger problems on my part or is it a feature?[/quote] If you click the "More Details", you'll see that the old options are still there. I assume you mean because if you want to download it to your XBOX or something. You can still do that.

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  • sounds like a good feature... but it wont really work for machinima because it costs points for each video.

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  • My Halo 3 movie data clip somehow got replaced by the rendered video. Was it finger problems on my part or is it a feature?

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  • [url]http://www.bungie.net/stats/Halo3/FileShare.aspx?gamertag=zanezavin[/url] Got the first clips in mine rendered, very cool. [Edited on 05.12.2009 2:01 PM PDT]

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  • Bungie for the Win!!!!!! I'm glad I invested into Bungie Pro. A lot cheaper the a cap card.

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  • yes this is really an awesome feature!!!very proud ;)

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  • Works great guys. Glad to have had BNG Pro for so long now. : )

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  • Since we get points based on per minute (like, now I have 2 render minutes), does that mean I get to render as many films as I want as long as it takes only 2 minutes? For instance, does six 10 second film clips count as "1 render minute", or is each render minute "1 film clip"?

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  • Well hot damn I'm excited about this. Anyone can feel free to lock that thread I created in the Community Forum at their will.

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  • NO [Edited on 05.12.2009 1:57 PM PDT]

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    wow minasodaboy is awful plus this idea of bungie points is an absolute scam a capture card can do the job for an unlimited time for cheap

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  • sooo just another thing that they can use to pump some money out of us with? thats ridiculous. i love all 3 halos but seriously? its bad enough we have to buy maps, and lame that legendary arent free even with the new ones out, but to add more -blam!- we have to pay for? thats facked

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    EDIT: Shady internet made me re-post the same message. apologies [Edited on 05.12.2009 1:50 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] edableshoe This is great! Please tell me that everyone can use this, because I really don't want to buy Bungie Pro! I understand that it's limited to Bungie Pro users now, but PLEASE let everyone get to use it![/quote]This has always been planned to be for bungie pro users only. Sorry, but if you want to use it, you'll need to be pro. =)

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    EDIT: Shady internet made me re-post the same message. apologies [Edited on 05.12.2009 1:50 PM PDT]

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  • YESSSSS. Awesome quality, even for standard-definition clips. Question: considering that this is merely the Beta, can we expect to have even better image quality when the full R2V is released?

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  • You guys are amazing! So if a clip is not an entire minute is it going to cost an entire point? [Edited on 05.12.2009 1:51 PM PDT]

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