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Edited by GingyNingy66:
9/12/2015 3:51:31 PM
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Let's talk about the Hunter throwing knives.
I would like to have a calm, civilized conversation about the Hunter throwing knives. I believe that the headshot damage, not the base damage by any means, should be increased. My reasoning is...
Titans have a one shot melee, the shoulder charge, and I have also seen titans regenerate health upon dealing melee damage.
Warlocks have an ability that allows them to receive an extra overshield upon landing a melee hit.
Hunters, Gunslinger in particular, have no way to land a melee and immediately kill someone apart from using there exotic slot and having to be invisible AND behind the enemy. I use Gunslinger, and I can land a headshot with the knife AND have the burn ability active, and not receive a kill. I believe that that should be rewarded with a kill, especially with a burn. Even if a basic throwing knife (without the burn) would not make a 1 shot, a precision shot AND the burn affect should.
Edit: Due to a common misunderstanding, I am implying that the burn should kill the person. I don't believe a basic knife should be able to kill a player with one shot. The incendiary knife perk would have to be active in able to get the kill.
Edit: Due to a common statement, which I do believe to be true, I think that of this was applied, the hit box for the head should also become smaller. I will agree, I have made a few knife shots that I thought were going to miss completely.
Edit: Let's go guys! 100 replies! Keep posting that input! I'm loving your guy's opinions on the matter.
Edit: 200 replies! Keep them coming!
Edit: 500 replies! Keep commenting!
Please vote and leave your opinion below on whether you think this should be changed or not. I would like to keep this calm and without all the fighting and arguing. I'm not crying for it to be buffed, but it should be considered given the abilities of the other classes.
Edit: Just to make this clear, you would have to use the incendiary knife perk. I don't know how many times I have to say this. That perk takes the place of the precision reset perk, so you could not run around constantly making knife kills. Please understand this. I'm getting tired of explaining this to each person.
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4 RepliesHow about increasing the aim assist/ hit box/ tracking for the knife for easier precision hits? The throwing knife is very solid when combined with a hand cannon head shot or a few shots of anything else just before hand. Make it easier to combo a few shots and a knife head shot and that'd bring it on par with the other two classes strong melees. 100-0 for 1 single head shot seems a bit too good for quite a decent ranged melee.
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3 RepliesTitans regain health on kill, not hit
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Its fine the way it is. How hard is a follow up shot after you just did 150 damage.
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The change that I want to see made for throwing knife is simple. Make it so that it immediately regens on precision HITS, not kills. This would balance everything out in my opinion. Titans have a one-shot melee but only with a running start and the element of surprise. Warlocks have one but only when Radiance is active and you have a melee charge, otherwise it takes two hits and a relatively long time to do. My suggestion would give Hunters a quick TTK melee as well, it would just take very precise throws. But I would be lying if I said it wouldn't be a lot more fun.
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5 RepliesNo I don't think so, because a Titan has to run at you, you would understand this better if you had a Titan, and a throwing knife has range, which would be really overpowered.
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From every non warlock: Your melee range is overpowered (never considers throwing knives xD)
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You said it brother. I agree 100%. That shoulder charge is totally not egual.
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Pretty good as is I reckon. And I main a gunslinger since my first day.
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Lol can't believe 'yes' has so many answers. I mainly play my hunter JUST because of Throwing Knives. An incendiary throwing knife will make someone mostly dead. Usually a precision knife and one shot will do the trick. The real problem people should be worrying about is that the burn doesn't proc at all times, which is terrriiibbllleee
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The knife already has a a lot aim assist head shots are relatively easy if your going for them
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3 RepliesI am in no way against this, but it would make throwing knives OP. Think about being able to throw your shoulder charge, with a little luck even terrible players will one shot me with their knives instead of damaging first, leaving outplay room. Also, only one of the subclasses for each class has the one shot melee, which bladedancers have with backstabbing.
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7 RepliesIf a titan can and warlock, with abilities, can one shot you with a melee. Which is an open palm of energy and an energy punch or shoulder charge, a freaking blade to the face should as well. Whether it be a standard melee. Which is all the hunter has other than a burn effect for a throwing knife that deals less damage than scorch melee or thorns curse effect. Yes a blade to the face in any means should kill. Especially a crit shot with a throwing knife. That takes skill.
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3 RepliesIt really is very simple guys, throwing knives have a lot of range while landing melee and shoulder charge you need to be extremely close to the enemy. Thus while have range=safety and landing a one hit kill is, to say the least, idiotic.
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3 RepliesWell, looks like the overwhelming majority thinks that Throwing Knife headshots should be a one-hit kill. I disagree with you that it should be a one-hit headshot kill only with Incendiary Blade though. This is because the enemy would still have time to attack you even after you land the headshot since the DoT doesn't kill immediately, and if the DoT does kill the enemy, I'm not sure if it'll give you the Stick Around medal. Also, Knife Juggler requires [i]precision [b]kills[/b][/i] with Throwing Knife to work, so would it not make sense to make regular Throwing Knife headshots (without Incendiary Blade) a one-hit kill?
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8 Replies1st off: shoulder charge is more difficult to use than you would think 2nd: throwing knifes with the burn should be a one hit kill if the target has no health boosting abilities. 3rd: titans have the weakest melee abilities in the game 4th: warlocks need a melee range nerf, titans need a melee range buff (should be the farthest of all classes)
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3 RepliesI don't agree with this purely because there isn't a counter. At least with shoulder charge it is completely stoppable unless you got really badly flanked, and the warlock melee is their super so that's ok in my terms. Golden gun and arc blade are pretty efficient in terms of kill potential. If you could find a counter for the throwing knife I would be fine with that. otherwise this sets hunters far above the rest.
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Edited by Hey look! It's a Koala!: 9/12/2015 12:15:24 PMWell, I believe the [b]Gun[/b]slinger should hold true to his name. It's a class which specialised on guns, why should it have a 1HKO melee attack? Even if only for the flair of it I [i]personally[/i] think that it's absolutely alright atm.
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2 RepliesExotic gauntlets that increase all precision damage hunters do. Including throwing knives
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5 RepliesIf you don't have one of every class your opinion shouldn't matter
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Yeah or maybe an exotic that makes your knives a one shot?
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IMO a headshot with a burn should kill.Personally I would just like a little more velocity
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To be fair the throwing knife is extremely powerful when combined with any other damage, I see a lot of people land one shot then throwing knife their opponent down. If we are changing melees however then shoulder charge should conssume the titans charged melee and flame shield should be on kill not hit.
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1 ReplyIf you get good with them, it would be too OP. I currently use throwing knives all the time in crucible, and I would love to see a buff. But at the same time it's the only ranged melee in the game and I fear a buff would be unbalanced in the right persons hands.
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Edited by Alpha: 9/12/2015 11:53:30 AMshoulder charge can be countered with any gun except for sniper. Just back the hell off.
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Really I just want an exotic helmet that makes throwing knifes stun enemies much like the Saint-14 effect.
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I think the knives are fine, but I agree that the Incendiary Blade dot should be buffed in some fashion.
