No game in history has completely invalidated all endgame content via a DLC. I can go buy Vanilla WoW right NOW and get every ounce of content out of it that was there at start. The weekly Heroic/Nightfall should have been divided per DLC. A vanilla one (level 30) a TDB one (level 32), HoW one (level 34) and TTK one (level 40) Everyone gets endgame content. Because one thing Bungie forgot, is endgame is not where they say it is, endgame is the end of the game you own. If they c-blocked you from PvP without TTK i bet you would have a totally different opinion.

[quote]No game in history has completely invalidated all endgame content via a DLC. I can go buy Vanilla WoW right NOW and get every ounce of content out of it that was there at start.[/quote] That's statement is completely false. If that is the pillar of your argument than try again. As a vanilla WoW player that recently went back and looked around they have removed and change a ton of content. They remodeled everything, ground zones and even took some dungeons(strikes) out. Also they removed all the old world bosses. My favorite activity back in those days. You got some of the best gear and took a lot of people and a lot of time. So they took a endgame activity and removed it from the game. They added them later for higher levels but you won't find them at the old places. Sounds pretty close to the same practice. Now I know this isn't the same genre technically as WoW. But using false info for the base of your argument doesn't help.

Ok, its a little overblown But then again, Vanilla WoW is how old at this point? As a former Vanilla WoW player, at the first major expansion did they completely kill endgame for people that did not buy the expansion? Simple yes or no. Not talking level caps, or changes, just the physical endgame content from Vanilla after the first major expansion.

[quote]Ok, its a little overblown But then again, Vanilla WoW is how old at this point? As a former Vanilla WoW player, at the first major expansion did they completely kill endgame for people that did not buy the expansion? Simple yes or no. Not talking level caps, or changes, just the physical endgame content from Vanilla after the first major expansion.[/quote] Truthfully no I do not believe they did, and I will agree with you on that. But I think people that compare this game to WoW are close but not completely right. Yes it sucks that they are moving nightfalls up, but and please this isn't comparing the two(well kinda) but seeing that it's thrown around a lot, it needs to be done. There is one huge difference, monthly subscriptions, they could afford to do that, because even if you didn't upgrade. You just send in your 15 dollars a month and good to go. That's what fed the support along with game and expansion sales. That's 180 a year from each person. That's more than most have paid for destiny all year and that's not counting the wow disc I think was 49.99? Or 59.99. But they also did take some stuff away. Some weapons were removed. Nexus was taken halfway through bc to prep for it's move to the next expansion and isn't played at 60, which took a few impossible to get legendaries with it. I worked my guilds ass off to get thunderlord(the sword, not machine gun.) then looked at it everyday in my bank useless. Now I do believe that wow and Destiny are two different games. And the sad fact is I think the biggest difference is a subscription. You expect things to change regularly on wow with updated every month and new expansions everything you worked for to be pointless and start again. But destiny you pay a lump sum done, cheaper and like any game like that usually stays constant. I think what they did or trying to do is mash them together and get in the middle, I'm not sure. I agree with both sides a little, and I get why people not getting the expansion are mad. But I never saw the lvl 60 twinks in wow act or have post like this when they took, The Nexus, world bosses, many legendary weapons and quest lines. -blam!- they even took south shore at a time the best pvp zone I've ever laid eyes on. But like I said two different types of games kinda, new territory. Sorry for shit grammar, on my phone

Meh, im not a huge grammarian myself, i will tease people who are being intentionally obtuse with Your* you're* or the their* they're'* or there*. But for the most part the point still stands. Since i am on Xbox i am technically paying a subscription already, while not to destiny specifically i am paying one. Now i also hear PS users are now having to do so also. But i digress, i will instead move on to a game i am more intimately familiar with (i dont play WoW wasnt my thing) do however play both SWTOR and STO ( Star Wars the Old Republic and Star Trek Online) Now STO i pay the most attention to, it provides the most bang for the buck. Sub is optional, but as with all subs you get swag and bonuses for doing so. But they are constantly releasing new content and pushing the end of the line further out. Each new "Season" comes with a handful of new missions and events. Some events are updated to reflect newer stuff but thats not unusual. But i can hop in my ship from year 1 vanilla game and fly straight into endgame content granted you are at a horrible disadvantage if using a starter ship (not enough weapons on it) But if i pull out my good old vanilla endgame ship with my good old vanilla endgame weapons, and have a go of it. The other thing is, if i am level 29 in level 30 content i am at a slight disadvantage, but if i am at level 40 in level 30 content i have a pronounced advantage, this is an area that destiny really makes me mad. But in the end we can agree to disagree, no?

I do agree with a lot that you are saying, don't get me wrong. My original point was only that you pillar of your original comment was incorrect and that has been talked about and changed. Yes in both games you can play original content(STO,WoW,) But in future content some of that content has been moved, erased, level raised. But I do agree that the base of the content is still there besides a few things. I do see the nightfall's as kinda that, but I also believe that this being a different game that it was not the correct or smart move on bungie's part to do that. The most that I can hope for all of you that are upset, that they wise up and fix it, because apparently those same practices that work on others(Aka. Old out dated weapons, raids, raising level cap on certain activities.) is just not smart and right with what the fanbase wants. Me personally will be getting the TTK and it doesn't affect me. But I do understand and fully agree with most people saying why they are upset as long as they have a decent reasonable reason. I do hope bungie learns very fast and fixes this, But I truthfully doubt they will because well business is business and they need that money to make this 10 year plan happen. I do strongly think that activision has a lot bigger hand in this and not entirely their fault. Whatever ATVI(Activision/Blizzard, Yes they are the same company and traded under the same stock) has been getting their hands on recently has been filled with micro transactions and some filler content way over priced. From what I can see TTK was worth the 40 for me, but I won't know till I have time to play it once its out. But I wouldn't put all the blame on Bungie. This game sounded like it was going to be a lot different till Activision came along. But hey idk. Main point, I do agree with a lot you are saying and most on here are saying. I do believe it should be fixed even though it will not effect me in any way, shape, or form. But I also do believe if someone was to think put together a decent argument, post or send it to them as best they can, in a business and not straight (idk how else to put it) freak out nerd rage way, and a bunch of level headed, consumers got behind it, and voiced true concern, not just every thirst world is a (Blam.) The Community leaders would take it into a lot more consideration. I do agree with most of you, but every time I read one of those -blam!- this -blam!- that -blam!- this. Instead of reading it all the way through I just skip and laugh. Wouldn't be surprised if they skipped it too. No one wants to come into work and listen to it that way. Sure many people have had to deal with people at work. You get a guy coming in yelling and screaming about something and you just sigh, reluctantly ask him what's wrong and then help him enough to get him out of the way and on with his life(most of the time, some people may do more, some many do less.) You get a decent customer come in with the same problem, but is respectful, kind, explains what the problem is and asks what you can do to help/fix it, and I believe most people will go out of their way to help him more than the last(again most of the time.) I maybe wrong but I do hope someone takes this approach and I would like to see how it goes. So, I hope they fix and make this right for you all. You do have a valid point I just wanted to correct a few things for other readers. Good luck all of you trying to get nightfall brought back to 32 at least as an option.

It should have been done this way. However I'd like to know why it wasn'tz would you mind making a thread about this asking the devs to comment?

So stealing content people paid for and locking it behind a pay wall is ok to you?

No but favoriting people who spend more money for more content is