First and foremost Report, Report, REPORT! If something is not acting right in the game report it to Bungie via the in game report player option. It is not your job to prove the player is manipulating the game, that job falls on Bungie.
Too many players are scared of the report option and don't want to report a suspected cheater and when you don't he then tells all his friends and everyone else and the pile of cheaters grow exponentially. I view the Report option of "Hey Bungie, something weird is going on here and you should take a closer look and find out what is happening."
I'm going to list a few indicators that may show manipulation and how to distinguish through what types are being used.
[b]Lagswitch[/b]
A lagswitch is adding a switch to disconnect service from your router to the console by doing a physical disconnect on the orange pair on a 568b termination, your receive pair.
To simulate a lagswitch via a software end people get inventive. Some will force host and UDP attack their own router to lag everyone in the game but themselves. Some will packet filter. Some will alter the MTU settings on a system, router, modem or node in order to create the effect.
[b]Lagswitch Indicator[/b]
Lagswitching causes the players [b]network indicator to go red bar[/b], because it cuts all incoming traffic including the bungie network indicator P2P connection. [b]This is not a constant red bar, but a player that has a pattern of going from a good signal strength to a red bar when in trouble or close quarters, then once safe goes back to a good signal level.[/b]
[b]UDP Flooding Indicator[/b]
UDP Flooding causes everyone in the game to lag out except the host, the one that has to preform the UDP Flood. Doors will not open, ammo can not be collected and you can't kill anyone only the host can up until the migration of the host. If everyone in the match is Red bar, report the host and let Bungie go and figure it out.
[b]DOS Attacking Indicator[/b]
DOS attacking boots players by overwhelming their buffers causes them to lag. Induces a red bar on another player and can cause them to orbit or disconnect from the game, if it is serious enough it can cause a console to freeze. This is a crime and is reportable to iC3. Your entire network will have excess traffic as it tries to over load your routers buffer capacity.
[url]http://www.ic3.gov/[/url]
[b]MTU Indicator[/b]
MTU maintains the communication, so the bungie [b]network indicator works and shows up as green while the effect of the player appears to be lag switching. [/b]
[b]Modified Console Software Indicator[/b]
The player could run extremely fast, jump higher than settings allow, have unlimited ammo, have heavy without ever picking up heavy ammo, etc...Below is a video of a guy using a software mod on a game of PvP captured by someone.
https://youtu.be/nIbsJFaAfP0
[b]Modified Controller Scripts Indicator[/b]
Current scripts published online for destiny include aim-assist, anti-recoil of the y-axis, bunny hop, auto-sprint, turbo melee, burst fire user tuned for specific weapon and timing, etc...
The point is that a lot of players are cheating in the game, as a community we need to focus on what could be likely misbehavior and report it. You don't have to know with out a doubt, it's just more likely than not something fishy is going on and then you report it. Bungie has to dig through the metadata and figure out what's up. It's simply I see a lot of smoke and call the fire department on a potential fire, I don't need to go inside the building and prove a fire exists--that can be handle by the Fire Department.
[b]EDIT1[/b] Lagswitch Indicator change above to more clearly state what to look for...
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http://destinystatus.com/xbl/ThiefAstro i long for a k/d like his xD
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ButtZephyrButtZephyr - old
Man, you just blew my mind. I am about the mid 500 active hour mark in Destiny PVE (I have no life). As TTK approached I figured I should go after the Crucible exotics for collection sake and to score some grimoir. Needless to say I experiencd what we will politely refer to as a 'skills gap' and subsequently had my arse unceremoniously handed to me, repeatedly. I figured that as an older gamer it was just a matter of the aforementioned issue combined with the exceptionally adept whipper snappers that I was up against. So I knuckled down, learned the maps, minced around in my subclass tree, armour and weapon options and agonised over the disparity between my champaign aspirations and my beer outcomes. But mostly I worried why was it that I could not shoot opponents without being in the room, blink/skip across maps in seconds (always intriguing to watch that horrible little red silhouette when you're dead), have a super in a minute, not die from a shotgun in the face, not get killed by the guardian I just supered and dammit, how the hell did that warlock sprint past me, one shot me and continue running without his graphic indicating he even looked at me - he must simply be awesome, what gun was that? About three or four days later Iron Banner commenced and figuring level advantage would give me some extra space magic I jumped right in ready to succeed. Oh, the humanity - is that my ego I just shat out? What am I to do? I know, I'll just rocket and snipe my way to glory. Let's not quibble about undermining the premise or integrity of the game (hey Bungie?). I'm sorry to say this rather nefarious method worked swimmingly, got all the bounties and level 5 and feel completely crap for how I achieved the result - not exactly how I imagined a game should make you feel. My sincerest apologies to all the decent and worthy guardians with large exit wounds in the backs of their heads, my actions are just a symptom of the actions of a group of ethically challenged cretins that appear to by all accounts, continue to benefit and undermine Destiny's brand - may your peckers shrink into insignificant and have rancid arse breath forever. The Zephyr. -
yous all sat there screaming at your tele bc someones better in every way but bc he might not be sponging a 1000 mb connection off of his parents like yous he must be a cheater right? smh weirdos
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15 Repliesi used to have a very weak signal (red bar) pretty much constantly, i got accused of lag switching and i'm sure i got reported plenty of times so i wouldn't say that this post is smart. people dont actually lag on purpose (i dont even know my own ip). it used to take me 5 arc-blade hits to kill 1 person so you'll be able to filter out lagswitchers by the fact that they're actually able to kill someone quickly and i've only seen sad kids with lag switches and what not in trials of osiris, desperate kids doing desperate things for some wins. but thats as far as it goes for stuff like that on this game.
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1 ReplyEdited by CannyJack: 9/9/2015 3:49:32 PMI just report every red bar I get the chance to report. If it seems like it's happening only when the player is in trouble (or if it goes back and forth repeatedly) then they get tagged for cheating and bad connection. Otherwise, I just report bad connections, and let Bungie sort it out. I assume (and hope) people do the same if I go red-bar.
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7 Repliesi jump from red to green time to time in pvp i can't help that i am running windstream(They are using old internet lines from a company that they brought out where i live and i live in the middle of -blam!-ing nowhere...) so from your logic i must be cheating and need to be reported...
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9 Replies"Report anyone who is better than me or lagging because clearly my k/d is only bad due to that" That is what OP is trying to say... Like honestly? Your indicators are garbage lol ... they laggy? Lag switch. Everyone lagging? DOS. Weird slow lag and can't open doors. Super hacks report immediately! You are bad and it isn't due to cheaters considering about 1% of the population is actually cheating. The other 99% of people called out for cheating cuz noobs like you are ignorant.
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2 RepliesPlayed rift yesterday, a guy was almost invincible due to lag+teleporting. That team ALWAYS let that guy take the spark as a "strategy". Funny enough, we won.
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Yesterday happened something weird, was playing control and a player on the other team grabed heavy and was shooting tockets, died was still shooting rockets, died.. still shooting rockets. Any explation?
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1 ReplyI am constantly getting kicked out (leaving fire team) of matches mid game and sometimes in the lobby. Im not having any connectivity issues, alread checkes that. Can you please tell me if there is a solution and possible cause to this problem.
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1 ReplyLast night had two separate lobby hosts lag out the game for everybody. Unfortunately, there is no real way to know who is the host so it makes it hard to report them. The current matchmaking scheme is a real fail when determining hosts sometimes, as often it is really someone with a slow connection that can't handle the load. Bungie really really needs to work on this.
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11 RepliesIf you believe you've encountered someone cheating in Destiny, please use the in-game Report Player function: https://www.bungie.net/en/Help/Article/12960
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3 RepliesI have a PS4 and my brother has an xbox1 we rarely play at the same time but we were the other day and our router was really struggling. I dont really understand the technical side of it but i was lagging a lot. i played a couple of control matches and got an average score, nothing to great about a 0.7 KD. The lag became too much and i soon got off. (went and abused little brother) But after the last match i received a message saying id been reported and they hope i am banned. It worried me for a little while but i hoped that if bungie was to investigate theyd see I am no cheater. It is a shame that people have come to this and cant just honestly enjoy the game, but it did upset me a little that a little bit of laggy connection upset somebody enough to feel the need to report me.
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1 ReplyBungie, its hard to report someone when they do this soon as a match as started and players are in the loading screen. I see that often if these are the signs. I've been given so many error codes in pvp, even babooned 17 times in 1 match. So if it's possible to report in game when you have just been kicked out of the game...that be great. But we can't if we have been kicked or lagged or in process of getting reconnected to the game we were in. In the times we have its hard to pinpoint the suspected person
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Bungie replied to report people in game what a load of garbage, common sense says they will not ban people a week before there OP (over priced) dlc is released. Simple fix bungie why don't we get dedicated servers, why do you never reply to that.
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2 RepliesEdited by SirJonboy: 9/9/2015 7:12:05 PMQuestion, with a modified controller and script, could a person before patch 2.0 fire the Thorn as fast as the Last Word? Why, over the last 2-3 Iron Banana's I'll come across someone with a Thorn, that fired the gun as fast as a 3 burst from a pulse rifle.
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This is a great post dude. You've obviously done some homework on this. Thanks for sharing. :)
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1 ReplyVery good post. The problem lies in port access for each script use. All of the code can be blocked without limiting access for real players. I'm hoping The taken king has PvP patches or this is going to get worse.
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Bump this
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1 ReplyHow do we know who is host. I'm on PS4 and so many weird things have been happening lately.
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1 ReplyI have a problem with the Lagswitch Indicator part. I always have a red bar, on rare occasions yellow. Its always one of my complaints about playing PvP. Its not by choice, if I could I would always have a green bar, so the annoying error messages can leave me alone.
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I saw a guy once change between titan/warlock/hunter mid match, he killed me i got postmortem and instead of dying he turned from titan to hunter. I got shoulder smashed and striker supered while he looked like a titan. I also had a guy as a arc blade hunter and killed me with arc blade after tanking 2-3 thorn shots and 2 gally shots both direct impact. He didnt even lose his shield.... Thats what was complete bs
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Edited by gert56nom: 9/8/2015 9:02:05 AMI've seen a lot of weird stuff in crucible, so I no longer play it . but even outside I still notice things on patrol the other day I was doing a public event , another player beats me to the next extraction crew point on foot while I'm on my sparrow , I dont care what set up or gear perks that is not normal. I goto inspect him and he has full trials of osiris gear, weapons and armor . Next thing I know I'm signed out of not just destiny but psn I was flickering on disconected from severs for several minutes, yet while this was happening I went onto bungie forums to check if there was a fault , so no problem with my internet.
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3 RepliesI don't know if it was lag or not but a Titan was running at me I fired 4 golden gun shots in his head, he's armour didn't even drop and he proceeded to shoulder charge me. I'm so done with the pvp side of this game :(
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1 ReplyMy god, real geek stuff then, why don't ppl JUST PLAY THE GAME? ....they may find they enjoy it :/