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Edited by IsakRey: 9/1/2015 1:33:29 PM
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Infusion: Why Year 1 Gear Should Not Ascend

Destiny is an ever evolving experience, a hybrid of many different types of game and world; a high fantasy sci-fi shooter in which your role play a guardian in a world of unmatched sleek control. I originally wrote this as a reply to Malphisto for a post in which he said that there is "NO REASON" For year 1 gear not to ascend via Infusion in year 2. That post can be found here: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/150515526/0/0 Well, allow me to counter the above: The Taken King is a new game, a second year experience that all our efforts thus far have brought us to. It entirely follows that not everything we have discovered and wielded this far can keep pace with us, it's a well recognised aspect of many games with level progression. Destiny is not now, nor should it ever be, Fatebringer simulator. The journey, discovery, quest for new loot should always be the driving force of our play. If we continue with the HoW stop-gap method of Ascension then why the hell even play year 2? Many of us would be fully geared out from the start! Without even playing the damn thing. There is little point in making ANY new gear if that gun we got from our first raid continues to stand up against ever stronger forces of darkness. It's just illogical. I will miss a lot of guns, I really will, and I hope that there will come a day when we can pull out updated versions of them, but year 2 launch should not be that time. Implementation of any such system so early would be hugely damaging to year 2 content, while negatively impacting player desire to experience new arsenal choices - with have already seen this with the underwhelming reception a lot of HoW DLC additions garnered, a lot of which has to do with Bungie struggling to top their somewhat extravagant early offerings. The best way forward for the long term is to build the game around the requirement for year 2 gear, assessing player response their design reaction following year 1 arsenal feedback. Guardians from year 1 have plenty of leg up on the new comers to the community, we have a legacy, we have our memories and our trophies, our clans, running buddies and painstakingly forged friendships. Bungie have learnt a lot from year one, and have a much better grasp on balance and design choices for gear. A part of why original versions of some of our favourites won't be coming with us is a decision made with this information in mind. Simply put: some year 1 arsenal is too powerful/optimised in such a way that it is not a question of balance, but of their existence at all being the problem. It would be a disservice to the creators of our new arsenal to ignore it all in favour of old gear. It's going to be a good thing. So look forward to all of our new toys and the refreshing new possibilities they raise.

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  • I didn't read any of it. Nothing you said matters. There is absolutely no reason to not ascend Year 1 gear. None.

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    • How did we upgrade old gear? By playing the new content.

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    • I'm for ascendable gear but at this point I don't really care. Vanilla weapons had some perks that are very powerful with no negative effects. Namely field scout. I do feel that it belongs on raid guns but not regular legendary weaps. They now want more balance and tradeoff for setups and can't achieve it with ascendable gear. With rerollable perks we tilted the scales out of balance with the old perks. The problem is thus far the Dlc guns have been bad. The black hammer is the only tdb weapon to stand out and it's on it's way to useless. The nechrocasm hasn't yet been fixed and it's well past the dlc from which it came. Shank burn, lol really my rocket launcher has shank burn. The dlc gun models look great but just are not impressive. Maybe the too guns fit their function, but I wouldn't want third eye on a whole set. We just don't have faith in bungie to generate better options. Maybe the new stuff will be good, at least there's plenty of it. Most how machine guns suck but BTRD stands out. Hopefully there will be some progress.

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    • Edited by Lee C Miller: 9/1/2015 5:21:02 PM
      I hardly read any of your post mate. I got as far as you saying destiny is a new game starting from year 2.. What are you on? I'm thinking something illegal lol. It's NOT a new game, it's a continuation of the same game. You are entitled to your own opinion but personally I will never consider destiny as a new game until the official destiny 2 games comes out. And that will happen after BUMGIE is done messing around with us beta testers.

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    • Edited by EdwardStarbuck: 9/1/2015 4:52:02 PM
      If you don't want to use fatebringer, don't use it and have the experience you want to have. Why stop the rest of the players who want to use it from using it? And if they wanted us to use different guns, they could, you know, design better weapons that entice us to use.

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      • Bump but I feel like your gonna get a lot of hate for your opinion.

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      • First, I'd like to add a disclaimer to the start of this that I mean no disrespect in the least with this response. That being said, onto my rebuttal! The vast majority of this argument is based purely on personal opinion and speculation. [b]1:[/b] The old weapons being "overpowered" is nothing but pure hearsay. Its a belief, not anything proven to be fact. That, in and of itself invalidates this entire case as I've explained to some others already. The notion of power is relative, personally I found a lot of the weapons people claim as "OP" to be rather lackluster. [b]2:[/b] The Taken King being a "new game experience" means absolutely NOTHING. There is literally no value at all in that distinction. Why should it mean anything to anyone when this is Destiny that we're talking about here? You judge a game for what it is, I see nothing written in stone anywhere that dictates a "major expansion" needs to do anything outside of its actual defined purpose of providing new content for the game. Since when does "new content" immediately equate to the old content being replaced or invalidated? Last I recall, every expansion for Mabinogi didn't do anything remotely similar to that. [b]3:[/b] Which brings me to my next point. Honestly? I don't care if people want to call Destiny an FPS, RPG, MMO or any combination of the three. I really don't, I personally stopped caring what people thought because for each person you argue the point with there are still others willing to go to bat for it. And even when you do manage to talk them down, they don't concede defeat on the matter and just ignore you and then continue saying the exact same thing in another thread, meaning you totally just wasted your time talking to them about it. And then people wonder why I've started just saying "No" as a response to people. [b]4:[/b] REGARDLESS of what Destiny is? Once again, I fail to see anything written in stone dictating that the game HAS to follow the example of other games. You know there are people, Bungie included, who will say that Destiny is its own unique thing. And then you get the contradiction when folks start saying it does this or that because these types of games do this or those types of games do that. And this isn't even Bungie, either, mind you. Its just players, fans. Its imposed labels that ultimately mean nothing. [b]5:[/b] Last time I checked, after coming back to Destiny with the release of House of Wolves after seeing Etheric Light introduced, I still went out and acquired practically all of the new Legendary weapons. I found a ton that were actually really good and now have a permanent place in my arsenal alongside my vanilla weapons. That right there is evidence that the statement above is false. Gear Ascension has nothing to do with whether or not players will acquire and use new weapons. The weapons themselves will determine that. If Bungie is confident in their new assortment of gear, there would be zero reason not to allow older gear to continue going forward. [b]6:[/b] Those who have already decided that they are going to be swapping out their old loadouts for entirely new ones will do it regardless of whether or not gear can continue ascending. That's the beauty of there being CHOICE. Why take the option where someone else gets screwed? Its rather self-serving and not to mention just straight up selfish of people to be against Year 1 Gear Ascension. It doesn't hurt you, its not FORCING you to keep using the old stuff. Meanwhile you're ok with me and others being FORCED to give up our weapons? That is the definition of being biased, its a decision being made that is playing favorites essentially. If the community's word and feedback actually mattered, then how is it possibly "okay" to indirectly tell so many to shove off while flipping them the bird? Over exaggeration, yes. But the point stands, though. [b]7:[/b] I don't know about anyone else, but I personally wish for a Destiny that isn't so heavily focused on grinding over and over again. I would think everyone would want a game where there is a slew of things to do, where you are being exposed to new things consistently instead of having to repeat activities that you have already completed over and over again just for the sake of getting something only to realize that come Year 3 its expected of you to toss it in lieu of the next weapon you'll be made to grind endless hours for. [b]8:[/b] Ultimately, Year 1 Gear Ascending/Infusing is a personal opinion. Its something that myself and many others feel strongly about and it IS a deal breaker for us. That is how we feel, just like others feel the opposite. If something is not done about this? We will leave, and Destiny will lose customers. And as a result we will further spread the malcontent and poor reviews of the game and for anyone who understands the Butterfly Effect, it can and will have a strong negative impact on the game as a whole. The same way it did with TitanFall.

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