The day The Undying Mind is a nightfall all the Cryhards will praise that the return to orbit was taken away......

What if people dont buy the TTK they wont be able to do nightfalls?

...meh. I hope I don't have to finish the raid to unlock the nightfall (though I suspect they just mean the story missions). As for the Nightfall, if they're making it easier*, then...it'll be easier to get stuff. I suppose that's good? I'm not a fan of Bungie's "we want you to charge in like a demented rhino" philosophy, though. You can already play stupid and win almost every part of the content; I liked the fact that the Nightfall (and other endgame content) brought you to your senses, so to speak. Of course, they weren't without their flaws, but the looming penalty was a great focuser of the mind. I am okay with only needing one completion for the account on some stuff, but on the other hand, I [i]like[/i] having 3 different characters. I would be bored focusing on one. * Or at least, less punishing when you fail.

The changes are good, however making us pay 40 bucks for content we already paid for, nope. I was on the fence about getting ttk, was excited after watching the streams, found out i have to beat oryx in order to play nightfalls and weekly strikes, that pushed me away.

I'm reserving my judgement until actual release. Words on a page are not the same as the experience

Overall, even though I don't like most of it, it was a good drop of information for once. My opinions are as follows. [u][b]Strikes in General[/b][/u] What I understand is that we are essentially getting some strike specific gear in a raid style aspect. I think this is a good start and hope that it includes boss themed ghost shells as well as armor and weapons. [u][b]Nightfall[/b][/u] This I don't like as much. The addition of the 30 second timer penalty I think is fine for this level activity. What I don't agree with is the fact that they are removing the boot to orbit should the whole team die. Without that the only things that makes the Nightfall any different from a Heroic is the nightfall modifier is going to give some extra enemies shielding, and a chance for an exotic at the end. I also don't like the fact that they are removing the exp buff. They say they are adjusting exp gains to compensate but they shouldn't have needed to in the first place. So what if we played first thing in the week. That was our choice because we wanted the boost to reputation gained in factions or a boost in leveling up new weapons we found. [u][b]Weekly Heroic[/b][/u] First off I like that this is turning into a playlist rather than having a dedicated strike each week. This should make it more enjoyable if we choose to run it several times. What I don't want to see though is the fact that they are making things account wide. Yes it may make it easier, but then why should we have other characters if we can do what we currently do on three characters on one instead [u][b]CE Class items, Shaders, and Emotes[/b][/u] I was starting to think they had completely forgotten about this topic so its nice to see an update on it. However why is it that those who are getting the collectors edition because they wanted those regardless of the fact that they already had the old content are now going to get even more on top of that. Im pissed because I didn't have the ability to afford something like that when it was announced so now I have to miss out on even more content and, even if I could have bought it though I would be just as pissed at Bungie for basically saying "Oh, we know what you are getting already but you have to wait because it won't be ready yet." Which is pretty much what they said to us year one "vip" players and look at the crap we are getting. The only good thing I see in the vip pack is a solid black sparrow. If the ghost had been colored black instead of oarnge so that it matched the rest I might be a little happier about the vip pack.

So the only way to get Strange coins is through grind and rng? Looks like business is about to drop off for Xur. And the Nightfall xp bonus is going because people felt pressureed to get it early? It's good that people want to do the Nightfall early, it means it's easier to get a fire team together because everyone is doing it at the same time.

Nightfall: if the 'won't return you to orbit' means just: you get to start from the start again but no need to get through the loading screen, then great. Else... well... Sad. Weekly: lots of changes, no mentions about the thing likely mostly impacted by them: Xur.... Seriously, learn to communicate bungie. Oryx unclarity: that could actually stop me from buying TTK: do we have to accomplish the raid to get the rest unloicked? how long does this take? Are there checkpoints? If it's something like Skolas, well.. I can't sit for a 4 hours gaming session... soooo

Not happy with nightfall being nerfed. The whole game in year 2 just seems like everything is casual now. I don't like that. Seems like everything is now handed over on a silver platter.

If wiping in nightfalls no longer restarts you it will now become even more of a joke. That's the only major problem that I've had with this game so far. I don't want them to make everything super easy just because some people can't do an activity and whine about it.

[quote]Curious. I like the changes honestly.[/quote] Nightfalls are all easy already and soloable. Now there is no punishment for dying so they just made them more of a joke than before. I guess it makes sense since all you ever get is strange coins or engrams anyway.

Im wondering about the strange coin reward disappearing... Either a new currency for Xur or they really want us too collect up engrams too get them now... Hmmmmmm

Some clarification on the PvP side of the Weekly/Daily stuff would be nice. In the PvE section he says that you have to be level 40 to get access to Weekly/Daily, which would mean level 40 before access to "new"/"good" loot. In the PvP section he does not say anything about needing to be level 40 before accessing the PvP weekly. I am not saying some/all/most of us won't be level 40 pretty quickly, so it could be a moot point, but if it takes longer to do the quest line to get to 40 in PvE then I thank that would be BS. I quote: Weekly PVP Ritual Nightfall was built as a ritual experience for groups of three players in PVE. In Year 1, we didn't have a good weekly ritual experience for PVP players. [b][u]Once players have completed the PVP Intro chain on Lord Shaxx, they receive access to the Weekly PVP quests on Lord Shaxx and the PVP Quartermaster.[/u][/b] Each week, Lord Shaxx has a Bounty called "The True Meaning of War." Completing this Bounty each week (which requires completing the PVP weeklies) grants players Nightfall tier rewards. Daily Heroic/Daily PVP It's important to us that Destiny remain compatible with real life. Playing multiple characters can sometimes feel like a job or a chore, the Daily Heroic and Daily PVP often felt that way. So we increased their rewards and made them an account completion. We want players to choose which characters they want to play on and earn Legendary Marks on.