- Yes the thread title changed to make the debate more accurate. - Summary of the old body of content is found below - With new matchmaking this system will be easier to judge. [b]NOTE:[/b] By dictating I mean by Bungies view on statistical information among the higher skilled players. [b]QUESTION:[/b] Why should a player who doesn't understand his class; not understand the line of sights to maps; not understand the mechanics of weapons be a reasonable voice for what needs to be nerfed and what is OP when clearly their level of play is below the curve so everything is OP to them. [i][u][b]Summary of Previous Body of Content[/b][/u][/i] I hope when matchmaking changes you only judge PVP from the higher tier players and let the lesser players actually learn to be good. The only way to actually tell if something is OP is if it's dominating in the higher tier of competitive players which in turn shows there is no counter. [i]Please keep debate on topic since earlier when this was posted it got out of hand with one line trolls[/i] ----------------------- Old Edits so I don't have to keep answering the same Questions. ----------------------- EDIT: Your real KD is found in the Grimoire card Crucible Introduction and is all kills and deaths under every Crucible mode from the start of your game to present so the argument about making a new guardian is irrelevant. EDIT: So many people think those who have a high KD have a high KD because of Thorn and TLW but it's actually skill and when the meta changes those people will still be on top and make the next weapons look OP. EDIT: I have played extensively on all 3 guardians. I don't have time to play and constantly grind on all 3 so I kept the class who is best in PVP because that's what I mainly play. If I were to choose a class overall I love Warlock but the Hunter has one skill in PVP that trumps all and that's "Quick Draw". EDIT: Once Bungie implements skilled matchmaking the game will get better and that's when you ONLY view the higher level matchmaking players. The ones with actual skill and knowledge of weapons who can find counters. EDiT: yes my total KD from the start of the game is 1.47 so therefore I didn't make this post about me "shocking" so posts directed towards me rather than the topic at hand have all been snuffed out because they are illogical.