I fear NO thorn. It's brutal, I get it, but if these whiners are so good they would invite the challenge. Git gud, or whatever they say. I just got mine a week ago, used it twice and went right back to my trusty Vex. Thorn, ha, bring it on. Post script. For any smart ass who calls out my k/d, please note that my son played crucible on my account for months before I even tried. Was never a huge PvP person prior to doing the thorn bounty.